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Mark Steyn - No easy answers on immigration conundrum
Chicago Sun Times ^ | April 9, 2006 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 04/09/2006 2:54:11 AM PDT by Tom D.

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Steyn is smoking again.
1 posted on 04/09/2006 2:54:14 AM PDT by Tom D.
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To: Tom D.
Mark Steyn IS right our immigration system is not only broken; it works at cross purposes - it winks and nods at illegal aliens but manages to very efficiently hold up processing work on legal immigrant application requests! Given this system, its no wonder the fastest route to becoming an American citizen is to just come here illegally. You'll be upgraded faster than President Bush can say "Hola Fox!" After having seen the U.S Senate's priorities, no one takes the blather seriously about the U.S government getting ready to secure the country's borders. The Senate, along with the White House, has a different agenda in mind. And oh as Al Qaeda sleeper terrorists Hani Hanjour and Khalid Almidhar discovered five years ago, America's the perfect place to commit a crime for if you're an immigrant no one dares to ask questions. And since then no one dares to ask if any illegal immigrant might be a criminal or a terrorist. That's how disingeneous the American debate about immigration has become and why the immigration system's gaping holes have still not been fixed.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

2 posted on 04/09/2006 3:19:45 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Steyn is right on. I've dealt with our immigration office for two adoptions and they are the worst kind of government bureaucrats. I think the only way they could improve this office is by firing everyone and starting over.


3 posted on 04/09/2006 3:29:31 AM PDT by mongrel
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To: mongrel
Advise your charges to fly to Mexico and wade over the Rio Grande. The ICE is highly unlikely to bother looking for them and as for work, its easy enough to find with a cottage industry that can supply a plethora of counterfeited official documents on demand. Why wait for an immigration bureaucrat to take til the year 2075 to stamp that visa? Go to America now!

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

4 posted on 04/09/2006 3:32:55 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Tom D.
Deena Gilbey is a British subject whose late husband worked on the 84th floor: On the morning of Sept. 11, instead of fleeing, he returned to the building to help evacuate his co-workers. A few days later, Mrs. Gilbey receives a letter from the INS noting that as she's now widowed her immigration status has changed and she's obliged to leave the country along with her two children (both U.S. citizens)

. . . Why should illegal Mexicans be the unique beneficiaries of a sentimental blather about "family values" to which U.S. immigration is otherwise notoriously antipathetic?

Whatever happend to Mrs. Gilbey?

5 posted on 04/09/2006 3:34:07 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: Tom D.

Mark Steyn is a gift from God.


6 posted on 04/09/2006 3:37:40 AM PDT by Enduring Freedom (Senator Allen on Democrats: "...let's enjoy knocking their soft teeth down their whiny throats.")
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
I dunno. But you can be sure of one thing: Mrs. Gilbey doesn't belong to a certain ethnic group whose votes politicians are desirious of soliciting. If she did, its to safe say she could remain here, legal or not. Our immigration is system is as susceptible to manipulation for political ends as its ineffective in protecting the country's borders and upholding its national sovereignty.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

7 posted on 04/09/2006 3:38:36 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Will they ever be fixed?

As Steyn said there are "298 million of us"
and 10-20-million of them.

Yet they are more important to Wall Street, our President, and both parties, the MSM, lobbyists, organized labor,than we are, 10-20million non-citizen criminals,are more important than 298 million VOTERS!

Today, tomorrow and for how long will everyone pander to them? At what cost? At what cost to you and I and our children?

They have now come out of the shadows and are defiant and disrespecting America. They will take our streets, our schools hostage again and again by protesting and make no mistake they are very well organized to take over.

Did you see the special on CNN showing their organizers? The leaders of the group are going to use them to gain what they want from America and it has sinister overtones.

Wall Street and the rich and powerful are addicted to slave labor. At what cost to 298 million of us?

Comnpanies get their slave labor and WE 298 million we get to pick up the tab as they get all the goodies, FREE healthcare, college, housing, food, utilities, medicaid and every other entitlement they can carry in their basket of freebie goodies the 298 million of us can give them.

But utoh suddenly we 298 million are saying wait a minute they are now overcrowding our schools and our children are suffering, they are overcrowding for free everything we 298 million are forced to pay for.

They are a DRAIN on 298 million of us YET they are getting what they want while we 298 million are getting the shaft!

Will we allow 10-20 million liberal socialist criminals to take over an entire country? Will we allow 10-20 million change red states to blue states?

There are 298 MILLION OF US! Let's ROLL!!!!




8 posted on 04/09/2006 3:51:06 AM PDT by stopem (http://uscis.gov/graphics/shared/aboutus/statistics/legishist/act142.htm)
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To: Tom D.; All
I have been psuedo-blogging, for years, a couple of the elements in WWIV ( III being the Cold War ), in which we find ourselves engaged.

The first element?

-Islam, a Religion of Peace®? Some links...--

The other, somewhat interlocking element is this one:

-Thunder on the Border-- (Minuteman Project)--


Not yet, but within an hour, I will update these collections of links with further links connecting these two seemingly disparate groups. Stay tuned.

9 posted on 04/09/2006 4:33:22 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Pokey78


10 posted on 04/09/2006 4:37:30 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Tom D.
If I get any more upset with this illegal immigration issue I'm going to have a stroke.

And I think that's the point.

Our "leaders" are going to milk so much outrage from us that we'll compromise and take anything they offer just to make it go away.

11 posted on 04/09/2006 4:40:14 AM PDT by manwiththehands (I'm not staying home in November, but I'm only casting one vote: Blackwell for Ohio)
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To: Tom D.; mongrel

Very good article. He is right on target in saying that it is our complicated policies combined with the world's worst bureaucracy (the former INS) that have done a lot to get us into our current situation.

Much of our immigration law (quotas, etc.) has been manipulated under various administrations to bring in larger numbers of groups for some reason favored by the respective administration. Frequently, these groups seem to be from "developing" countries. That is one reason that it has always been extremely difficult for Europeans to get legal permission to live here. In addition, Europeans normally followed the procedures, reported to the INS on schedule, had legitimate addresses, etc., thus making them much easier to remove.

I had a British friend who was a teacher and ran a small day-care operation and applied diligently every few months for extensions, legal residency, etc. They wouldn't accept her because she spoke English and was a teacher (thus "competing" for American jobs). Finally she simply quit corresponding with the INS, moved, and sank into the vast illegal world and did very well for herself for years, eventually marrying an American and being able to straighten things out.

Our immigration law is so irrational and so politically motivated (no Europeans, lots of people from countries and cultures that hate us, "family reunification" for Third Worlders who go immediately to welfare or SSSI, etc.) that, as he points out, the vast numbers of illegals are a logical consequence of it.


12 posted on 04/09/2006 4:51:18 AM PDT by livius
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To: Tom D.

BTTT


13 posted on 04/09/2006 4:58:58 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Tom D.

"...in search of fake ID from the illegal-alien assistance network that hangs around there. Luis Martinez-Flores, who'd been living here illegally since 1994,..."

Which is a direct connection between the porous southern border and the 9-11 attack...not that it matters.


14 posted on 04/09/2006 5:35:17 AM PDT by TalBlack
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Steyn's point is the illegal underground immigration does a better job of integrating illegals into the nation's mainstream than the federal government because its privately managed and provides unbeatable customer service. Try getting efficiency and good service from the Bureau Of Naturalization And Citizenship Services. Now there's an oxymoron.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

15 posted on 04/09/2006 5:38:28 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Tom D.

Steyn's wrong about one thing. The next forty million illegals will be here long before 2025.


16 posted on 04/09/2006 5:39:17 AM PDT by hershey
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To: hershey
The current generation of politicians care only about their re-election. Whether the country can absorb up to 25 million illegals is not something they want to take a cold hard look at. After all its an election year and our immigration debate is driven more by political calculation than by an assessment of what we need as a nation in terms of desirable immigrants and what they can do on behalf of rather than take, from our country.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

17 posted on 04/09/2006 5:43:33 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: backhoe

Please ping me when you pull these together; I always appreciate your thoughts.


18 posted on 04/09/2006 5:45:12 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (Warning: I have an attitude and I know how to use it!)
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Whatever happend to Mrs. Gilbey?

She got to stay.

19 posted on 04/09/2006 5:53:30 AM PDT by Grut
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
along with her two children (both U.S. citizens)

I guess "anchor babies" only work if you are illegal.

20 posted on 04/09/2006 6:00:39 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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