Posted on 04/06/2006 6:39:22 PM PDT by advance_copy
WASHINGTON - Putting aside party differences, Senate Republicans and Democrats coalesced Thursday around compromise legislation that holds out the hope of citizenship to an estimated 11 million immigrants living in the United States unlawfully.
"We can no longer afford to delay reform," said Republican Sens. John McCain and Edward M. Kennedy in a statement that capped weeks of struggle to find common ground. [TRANSLATION: Amnesty and a path to citizenship for 11 million illegal aliens]
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(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
How do you propose to make it "unpleasant"?
The problem is not the hiring, but rather where the job are and until that is solved people will continue to flock to the USA.
Again, the problem is not the hiring, but rather where the job are and until that is solved people will continue to flock to the USA.
Don't sweat it. The Senate merely declared a false victory so they could take their spring vacation without constituents eying tall trees and shorter ropes. They're caught between the Administration, the Democrats, greedy business lobbies, anti-American special interests, etc. etc. ...and the voting public more irate and vocal than they've ever seen before. I'm getting reports from many sources of how representatives are panicking over the deluge of phone calls, faxes and personal visits from citizens demanding the right thing be done.
It's unprecedented.
/s rc sm [that's "half-sarcastic"]
It's unprecedented.
Yeah, they're gonna have to work REALLY hard to push this POS down our throats.
But I have faith in them. They'll pull it off, you just wait and see...
You've been writing good posts since this came up, especially those dealing with crapweasels pretending to be conservatives.
That said, I DO have faith in our bicameral form of government and the recent wakeup call our usually clueless citizens are apparently responding to. I don't know what generation you belong to, but the most recent ones have been subjected to a regimen of pablum, lies and adherence to authority that George Orwell would say "I told you so" if he were still around. The youth live in mortal fear that they'll be found out for having original thoughts that vary from their teachers and, by extension and peer pressure, most of the fellow sheeple around them.
I can't indulge in the usual pessimism when so many conditioned tax-monkeys are breaking their mental chains and demanding an accounting. Americans are actually taking an interest in their own destiny and are daring to challenge the authority figures (the reps) that they've been taught to respect without question.
This is good.
I was born in the late 1940s.
In the '50s, the Great American Dream reigned supreme. Things were good, and getting better, and always would.
After that, though, the reality of what was happening set in, and with it, a cynicism -- increasing as the situation continued its downward spiral.
Now, at this point, I am convinced in my heart of hearts that the "movers and shakers" have decided that the illegals are the "new slaves", to work the "new Plantation Economy" -- and this time, there's no Honest Abe to screw up the plan.
It's not that they're "trying to fix the problem" -- it's that they WANT it -- because to them, it's NOT "a problem" -- it's a solution.
Telling DC to get rid of the illegals is tantamount to telling The Confederacy to give up on "The Institution of Slavery."
Rare that any good news follows that kind of opening line. The country cannot absorb this, and so its beneficiaries will turn to statist government-dependency programs, handed to them on a silver platter in exchange for votes by for Democratic Party. This is GOP suicide.
Everyone who is disturbed by the events in the Senate should call Speaker Hastert and the Majority Leader in the Senate and demand that the Conference committee members will include Reps like Tancredo and Mike Pence.
You did grow up in the era of America achieving supremecy on it's own merits. Part of that was from the (fully realized) investment in GIs education and homes, perhaps the only incident of government investment that paid off multiply all around. I recall this whenever I see veterans screwed time and again for the sake of giving our money to layabouts and people who shouldn't even be here.
But enough about Ted Kennedy.
The ridiculous aspect of this proposed amnesty is the assumption that the illegals will be happy to stay down on the farm. History has proven that they run to higher-wage occupations as soon as the opportunities present themselves - a problem with the Vaquero Program so many Freepers like to believe was ideal. Like any other human beings these unacknowleged indentured servents will always seek the higher wage and there will always be a vacuum where employers expect people to labor at an insufficient wage level.
In short, allowing the system to continue as it is only insures a continuing influx of illegal aliens to shore up industries that have resisted technological upgrades for decades. If the government won't enforce the laws on them directly they must suffer a shortage of neo-slaves in order to sink (refuse to upgrade) or swim (automation and profit-sharing based on production). The current status quo emulates Mexico's two-class standard of riches for the Haves and no hope at all for the Have Nots.
Not only are we better than that, our way fosters innovation and a better lifestyle for all. I've always said putting up an effective barrier would be the most humanitarian thing we can do for Mexico. Playing footsie with one corrupt government after another just isn't accomplishing anything except enriching drug cartels, slavers and bad people on our side of the border.
The House of Representives proposal 4437 is the most sensical plan as it addresses the weaknesses that the 9-11 Commission pointed out without rewarding people who've broken our laws. This Senate proposal doesn't even pay National Security lip sevice in it's rush to plant its lips on the butts of alien invaders.
The ridiculous aspect of this proposed amnesty is the assumption that the illegals will be happy to stay down on the farm. History has proven that they run to higher-wage occupations as soon as the opportunities present themselves - a problem with the Vaquero Program so many Freepers like to believe was ideal. Like any other human beings these unacknowleged indentured servents will always seek the higher wage and there will always be a vacuum where employers expect people to labor at an insufficient wage level.
This touches on another awkward reality that almost no one wants to approach. One of the biggest "plusses" in favor of "these good people who do the jobs Americans won't do" (apart from the fact that "Americans won't do it", because Americans can't afford to live 40 or 50 to a house) is that they "work hard, for long hours, with low pay, and no benefits -- and don't complain."
When I hear that, I don't know whether to laugh, cry, or vomit. Fortunately (I guess), my choices are restricted to "laugh or cry", since my deteriorating spine has made it impossible for me to vomit anymore.
There's a reason these "good people" work like slaves. And it's NOT because of their "rich cultural heritage" or any similar such crap we're always given as the reason.
The reason they work like slaves... well, there's a neologism, from a different context, but it serves nicely to explain their behavior. It's called "being in 'the closet.'"
In short, they don't make waves, because they don't want to be tossed into the loving arms of "la migra", only to be replaced by the next batch of "good people, willing to do the jobs blah blah blah."
Now, the instant you make them legal, you suddenly remove that, ahem, "incentive" to be "such hard-working folks who will put up with anything with nary a complaint."
I mean, good grief. These people are virtual slaves -- is it any surprise that they ACT like slaves? Oh, sure, they won't scuff their feet, look to the ground, and say, "Yes, Suh... Yessuh, Massuh... I do whut you say right now, Massa. I be's a good n--ra, Massa, you know ol' Jake be's good fo' yo' plantation, Suh!"
But, given the facts, I'd say that "Si, Senor, no problemo, we have it don for you tonight, you see, we have it done tonight, OK?" will be a passable equivalent.
These are UGLY facts, I do not deny. But, facts are facts.
We can reason until we're blue in the face that long term, slavery is NOT viable, and, is doomed to failure. We can argue that even in lieu of the Civil War, "The Institution" would have ended. But that does not change the fact that during that era, the slaveholders resisted that idea -- in fact, fought tooth and nail... hammer and tong... to the point of killing off their best and brightest -- AND no small number of their slaves -- in a vain effort to retain the "right" to "own" other human beings.
There has since the dawn of history been an ugly reality, namely, that there is a certain type of person who is compelled to "own" the lives of others.
It's certainly not a "white thing" -- some of the biggest slaveholders -- and by historical accounts, the cruelest -- were BLACK. Yes, black freemen lived and walked among "the whites" of "The Old South" -- and were accepted as equals. Some of them were incredibly wealthy -- and, "owned" staggering numbers of slaves.
Slavery was NOT a "white versus black" thing. It was an abomination that dealt solely with the ability of those with sufficient money and influence to "own" those without any "rights".
Enter the Mexican "guest worker"-cum-"undocumented immigrant." The Perfect Slave for Our Time.
It is disgusting -- and even more disgusting when this foul system is couched in terms of "trying to be fair" to the victims.
The Mexican government is fully complicit in this atrocity. Here is something I posted a few days ago in another thread:
ORDER AT THE BORDER (shock as hyphenates wave Mexican flags, chant "Mexico, Mexico")Mexico is every bit as "invested" in this travesty as "our" government. Just as "our" "leaders" want to keep the Plantation Economy humming, the Mexican Aristocracy wants to get rid of its unwanted underclass.
To: Liz
OK, did I hear you say "underdeveloped countries?" The government of Mexico---with all of its oil revenue----needs to be taking care of its own people, not "outsourcing' them as wards of American taxpayers. Mexico can well-afford it. Mexico has more "Forbes" billionaires, 11, than all but eight other nations. It has more billionaires than Saudi Arabia, Switzerland or Taiwan. It also has more than 85,000 millionaires.
Mexico is a very racist, very bifurcated "society". I can't really use the word "culture", because that implies the singular.
You almost never hear of "people from Mexico" being called anything other than "Mexicans" -- at least, you don't hear it in this country.
In Mexico, though, it's a different matter. A very different matter.
Have you noticed how Senor Fox doesn't "look like a Mexican" (or even have a "Mexican-sounding" name?)
In Mexico, there are two classes -- one, fairly small, very wealthy, and powerful (they run the country!), and, another class, very poor, with essentially no rights, no power, no hope -- other than "crossing the Rio Grande".
Fox and the rest of the ruling class call themselves "Spanish"; the "underclass" -- the folks given nice colorful comicbooks with directions on sneaking across the border, printed up courtesy of the "Spanish" who run the government -- these folks are called "Mestizos" -- and here, they're called "Mexicans."
The "Spanish" don't sneak across the border. When they come to the USA, it's via jet plane, with the red carpet laid out before them upon arrival. They are the heads of state and industry.
The "Spanish" have decided to knock off a few birds with one stone. By "exporting their underclass" to us, they are freed from any obligation to care for them on their own -- and more significantly, they are relieved of the worry of revolt. The "Spanish" work diligently to focus the "Mestizo" anger against "the gringo nation", and, have propagandized them to accept the idea that by coming here in sufficient numbers, they will be able to "reconquer" the land for Mexico.
In a way, the process is chillingly similar to the brainwashing in the middle east, that convinces their underclass to strap on a suicide belt and get on the bus.
In both cases, it's a win-win for the "uberclass" -- they get their unwanted underclass to do the dirty work, and, they get rid of them in the process!
Eventually, the hope is that the invaders (or cast-offs, depending on one's perspective) will succeed in some measure of "reconquista", and Mexico will be in a position to impose terms of surrender. The underclass, sent out as "footsoldiers of the revolution", will -- by that plan -- succeed in taking back the land for the mother country -- and then, they'll be back to square one: unwanted Mestizos. But shhhhh! Don't tell them that! It might piss 'em off, and get 'em mad at the "Spanish" who have chumped 'em up as an army of "useful idiots."
Meanwhile, on "our" side of the border, we are hamstrung by deep-pocketed lobbies, who are intent on maintaining their supply of what might politely be termed "slave labor". And, in government, we have "sport-politicos" (nearly all politicians, it seems), who have realized that thanks to "motor-voter", the tens of millions of illegals make a handy dandy "constituency."
The rest of us, I guess, can go piss up a rope.
51 posted on 03/28/2006 8:21:17 PM EST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
A "bloodless ethnic cleansing", if you will. (And if you won't, they certainly will!) (What's the emoticon for sad-sick-smirk?)
With both countries working toward the same goal -- and all parties involved, except for "We, The People" backing the agenda, I really don't see it NOT happening.
The Mexican Aristocrats -- the "Spanish" -- want it. Oh, do they ever want it!
The "Mestizo" -- the Mexican underclass -- they want it too.
And "our" government? Our "leaders"? I think they've made their sentiments known -- as have their real constituency -- the "interests" who use the "neo-slaves."
So, in summary, I am not optimistic at all. I don't know what your feelings were on the Teri Schindler situation. I worked with the family to try to help gather information and so forth, I was really hit hard by the evil that I saw at work. I see, to borrow a "computer term", a "massively parallel" situation in this context. There is simply SO much money at stake, with SO many "powerful", and "influential" people... "interests", if you will, that "the fix was in" from Day One. These folks had "The Debate" by the short hairs, and they were NOT going to let go, period -- and there was no one and nothing that could MAKE them let go.
The same kind of despicable games were played there as are being played here. "We the People" are fed a line of BS, in order to shut us up, make us think, "gee, at least they're trying," when in reality, it was all theater, and nothing more.
The legislative stalwarts "debated" her fate for days, as she lay dying -- a horrible, miserable death, the likes of which would place a person in prison, if inflicted on an animal. But, they told us, they had to debate the matter in such tortuous detail, with infinite patience, because, well, golly, there were Constitutional issues involved, and you see, they are the guardians of that sacred document, and they have a responsibility to make sure that every jot and tittle are in place properly before signing off.
Of course, these were the same "Guardians of the Constitution" that had the many-hundred page Patriot Act dropped in their laps -- and, upon being TOLD to vote for it, and vote for it NOW, they did so -- with nary a nanosecond of debate.
In fact, they voted for The Patriot Act without even READING it!
Yet, they debated, and debated, and debated... every so often, looking up to silently ask the unspoken question: "Is she dead yet?"
But, she survived -- long enough that they "had to" come up with something. So, they did. They came up with a spineless, gutless, watered-down "compromise" that offered little, and accomplished nothing. And when it was challenged, they didn't even attempt to enforce it.
Now that they have established that "baseline", that benchmark of sorts, demonstrating exactly what kind of weaselry they are capable of when they have an agenda that is NOT "what The People want", I think that in this context, with so many billion dollars more at stake... well, think it over -- as dispassionately and clinically as possible -- and see if you don't come to the same conclusion.
As el Presidente Whorehay Arbusto so eloquently -- and wistfully -- put it,
This is his Vision for America. His, and Fox's, and "our" legislators', and the "movers and shakers" who have purchased the ears of "our" government too. And, it's the vision of "the good people who come to do the work Americans won't do." This is our future. Get used to it. Prepare your children to endure it. Learn to understand their language -- but don't let on to it by speaking it. If the occupation troops think you are ignorant of their language, they will speak more freely in your presence. This is always a good thing, when living in a "Vichy" republic.
We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.
For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.
It's late. I'm tired. I've been slogging through a miserable case of the flu for the past month. I am still grieving for the loss of my cat, who died two weeks ago, suddenly, with no warning, having been the picture of health. She was more of a friend to me than most of the people I've known. I saved her life when she was a stray kitten, true -- but she more than repaid me with immeasureable unconditional love and affection that never stopped -- until she died one night, alone, with no one to comfort her.
I think I've said all I can say on this matter. When it gets to the point that I'm feeling melancholic, I figure I've run the gamut of all there is to say.
See ya manana!
Goodbye, America.
¡Hola Amexica!
Yea, I didn't mean to sound so supportive. A real leader would have made sure the bill came out of committee in a rational form, and not had to pull tricks to try to fix it.
A real leader wouldn't be letting the democrats run the show.
I'm just saying that Frist is NOT on the wrong side of the ISSUE ITSELF. he is not supporting the amnesty stuff, he wants to pass his bill that just protects the borders.
I just mixed up the complaints about republicans who are selling us out for the immigrants (of which there are not THAT many, just enough to be a majority with 45 democrats), and complaints about Frist being a lousy leader (which he is).
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