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i'm pro-life but believe rape and incest and the life of the mother should be allowed. If your daughter was raped by a teacher would you make her give birth or would you allow for an abortion?


12 posted on 04/05/2006 10:09:42 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon
I would make her give birth. I would not turn her into a murderer. I will have taught her to love, not support violence against an innocent bystander.
13 posted on 04/05/2006 10:15:10 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Abortion, the ultimate hate crime)
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To: Echo Talon

I would and could never allow for an abortion.

why should the unborn baby be executed because of the crime of the rapist father ? The right thing to do would give birth then adoption would be a good option.

ABORTION AND THE “HARD CASES”: rape, incest, and life of the mother.

What About Rape? http://www.prolife.org.uk/about/keyabortion.htm
Abortion is often recommended in cases of rape. But abortion does not undo the rape; instead it compounds violence with violence. It is an indefensible response to a complex situation. Putting aside the injustice of an innocent child being killed for her father's crime, there is evidence that abortion only deepens the trauma of the rape victim as well as taking the innocent life of her child. A rape victim requires special emotional care regardless of whether or not she obtains an abortion. By recommending abortion as a quick and easy way to “lessen the impact”, a disservice is done to raped women.

By promoting abortion specifically in the case of rape one implicitly argues that the means of conception determines the value of a human life. This line of reasoning fails to acknowledge that, biologically speaking, there is no difference between a human being conceived by a loving couple and a human being conceived by rape. Are we to deem born children conceived by rape as having no right to life?

It is also worth noting that statistically speaking, violent rape is extraordinarily unlikely to result in pregnancy; moreover, women tend to love their babies even if they hate the father.

Priests for Life Q&A on Abortion
http://priestsforlife.org/questions.html
A key study on this topic is the book Victims and Victors: Speaking out about their Pregnancies, Abortions, and Children Resulting from Sexual Assault, By David C. Reardon. In this book, read the testimonies of 192 women who reveal that most pregnant sexual assault victims don't want abortion, and those who do abort only suffer more. This is the most comprehensive study published on this theme. www.afterabortion.org

Dr. Theresa Burke also addresses this topic in her book Forbidden Grief, www.forbiddengrief.com. One example from that book is this testimony: "The rape was bad, but I could have gotten over it. The abortion is something I will never get over. No one realizes how much that event damaged my life. I hate my rapist, but I hate the abortionist too. I can’t believe I paid to be raped again. This will affect the rest of my life."

Please also see the following testimony from Jenni Speltz, who was conceived in rape: http://www.priestsforlife.org/testimony/jennispeltz.htm.

In many cases the best choice is adoption. It is important to note that there are hundreds of thousands of couples that want to adopt but have been unable to because so many children are never allowed to be born.

What about the life of the mother? (by Fr. Frank Pavone) http://priestsforlife.org/questions.html
Answer: There are two questions at issue here. One is medical (Is there ever need for an abortion to save the mother's life?) and the other is moral (Would an abortion in that case be justified?) The answer to both questions is no. There is no medical situation whose only solution is a direct abortion, as many doctors have testified. Morally speaking, furthermore, it is never right to directly kill an innocent person, even if good results are foreseen. We do not say that a baby's life is more important than the mother's. We do say that they are equal. You may never directly kill either one of them. If, in spite of the best medical efforts, one or both of them die, nothing morally wrong has been done, because an effort has been made to save life, but has failed. That is far different from killing.

What about abortion in cases of rape or incest?
Abortion Q & A -- BY JOHN CARDINAL O'CONNOR, ARCHBISHOP OF NEW YORK
July 1990 http://priestsforlife.org/magisterium/cardocqanda.html#qa13
Some evils are what we call intrinsic evils, that is evil in themselves, so that no circumstances can justify them. Direct abortion is such an evil. It simply can not be morally justified. This principle holds even in regard to rape or incest. An unborn baby is an innocent human being who has committed no crime, regardless of how conception came about. It is never morally right to destroy an innocent human being.

See also: Rape and Incest… Is Abortion Ever Okay? By Georgia Right to Life
http://www.grtl.org/docs/rapeandincest.pdf
See also these articles by Fr. Frank Pavone:
”Persuading People that Rape Does Not Justify Abortion” http://priestsforlife.org/columns/column8-17rape.html
What moral/ethical/good things are ever done in back alleys anyway?! “Safe, then Legal” http://priestsforlife.org/columns/columns2003/03-10-06safethenlegal.htm
Three expert physicians’ testimonies stating that there is no “medical reason” for having an abortion. http://priestsforlife.org/articles/dropinion.html


15 posted on 04/05/2006 10:22:14 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: Echo Talon
"...rape and incest and the life of the mother should be allowed."

In some way, I'm playing devil's advocate here, but, if you object to abortion because you believe it is murder, then you have to accept that logically it is murder, no matter what the circumstances.

Though I sympathize with your exceptions, we have to acknowledge that aborting a child of rape, e.g., is murdering that child. If one chooses that route, they have to admit it was murder.

32 posted on 04/06/2006 12:30:37 AM PDT by IIntense
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To: Echo Talon

Abort the rapist. Keep the baby.

By the way, in general, incest is rape. At least in the argument abortion proponents are making. Otherwise they would be talking about two "consenting adults" committing incest and having an unwanted pregnancy. In this case, again, abort the criminal not the child.

Who to punish? Start with those performing the abortions. I think the mothers seeking abortions should be counseled, just as someone attempting suicide would not be charged with attempted murder.


38 posted on 04/06/2006 12:59:55 AM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: Echo Talon

i'm pro-life but believe rape and incest and the life of the mother should be allowed. If your daughter was raped by a teacher would you make her give birth or would you allow for an abortion?


Can't possibly be pro-life than. You are pro-choice with a little bit of pro-life thrown in for you to feel good. If a person is raped they can put it up for adoption that has been the way things were done for 150 years before 1973. I think the stigma of pregancy of your girls should be lifted. Obviously we should preach abstinence as the main source of sex, but if someone screws up than I think she should be supported and have the baby put up for adoption. If my rules would pass, then America would be a much better place where after a generation we would have a population growth so Social Security would not even be an issue.


67 posted on 04/06/2006 4:34:12 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Echo Talon
If your daughter was raped by a teacher would you make her give birth or would you allow for an abortion?

You won't change the violence that was done to your daughter by perpetrating yet another act of violence. It is not the baby's fault that it was conceived in such a way. I would encourage my daughter to bring the baby to term, then allow someone who has no history with the baby to raise and love it. That way, she may still have the horrible memory of the attack, but an even better memory of giving life and a chance at happiness to that child.

74 posted on 04/06/2006 5:39:10 AM PDT by SuziQ
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