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For Republicans, abortion issue is radioactive
NorthJersey.com ^ | 03.27.06 | DICK POLMAN

Posted on 04/05/2006 9:33:51 PM PDT by Coleus

PHILADELPHIA -- Republicans in Washington are always willing to weigh in on the issues that are important to their conservative base -- Iraq, immigration, taxes, federal spending, the Medicare drug plan, the Dubai ports deal, you name it.

But, lately, hardly anybody in the GOP camp seems eager to address the historic event that transpired this month out on the high plains and now threatens to roll eastward, to the U.S. Supreme Court. It is, of course, abortion. For the party of the elephant, the new South Dakota law -- which prohibits the procedure for every woman in the state, unless she is dying -- is truly the elephant in the room.

It puts Republican politicians, especially those seeking the 2008 presidential nomination, squarely on the spot. If they side with conservatives -- who tend to vote heavily in the primaries, and who generally hope that the South Dakota law will be a weapon to overturn Roe v. Wade -- they risk alienating the independent voters who often swing November elections and generally desire that the right to legal abortion be preserved.

That explains why not a single Republican with White House aspirations has declared that the South Dakota law should be the model for an ultimate ban on abortions nationwide. It's a crossroads moment in the 33-year-old debate. Grass-roots conservatives are clearly forcing the issue, hoping this law might ultimately find a receptive audience in Washington on a high court now staffed with two Bush appointees.

South Dakota Gov. Mike Rounds calls the law "a direct frontal assault" on the landmark 1973 ruling. Yet, even ardent foes of abortion acknowledge that the issue is dicey especially for Republicans, who appear to have the most to lose. Jack Pitney, a former national Republican official and Capitol Hill staffer who closely tracks GOP politics, called the abortion law "a delicate situation for the Republicans."

He said, "It makes a lot of them nervous. It's one thing to just talk about banning abortion -- and they do that all the time, because it's a great way to fire up the base and raise money. But it's another thing to actually ban abortion nationwide. "Because that would raise all kinds of uncomfortable questions that could hurt the party politically -- such as, if this is truly a crime, whom do you jail? Very few Republican candidates want to answer that question."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; abortion; abortionlist; gop; issues; republicans; wimps
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To: okiecon
A significant number, however, are, which makes the claim of "choice" problematical. I gather that many among the unbelievers and unchurched are indifferent to the lives of the unborn. If you don't believe you have an immortal soul, and if you have been fed a lot of malarkey that passes as medical science, or when everyone around you thinks in a certain way, yeah, you will behave accordingly.
21 posted on 04/05/2006 10:54:41 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: hocndoc

I would keep the options open for rape, and incest, just my opinion


22 posted on 04/05/2006 11:00:08 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: CounterCounterCulture
And to have a minor child to have to live with the rest of her life that she allowed her son or daughter to be destroyed is a huge burden to bear and will never erase the rape.

I still think its her choice, to force her have the child is also robbing her of her childhood and she could also have the same feelings if she were to give the kid up for adoption.

23 posted on 04/05/2006 11:04:04 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: 308MBR
"I hope the RINOs in charge of the GOP will be happy with picking up a few new voters while about half of the base stays home the next election out of pure disgust. It's not going to be pretty."

But don't you understand, the GOP is going to get all of these undocumented workers' votes. They gonna vote Republican......GWB has a Plan!

24 posted on 04/05/2006 11:06:13 PM PDT by de Buillion (NO STEENKIN' AMNESTY in NOVEMBER!)
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To: RobbyS

I agree that it doesn't help. The buck has to stop somewhere. I say it stops with the woman who has the "choice." You are right about indifference among nonbelievers. When you will kill your child because you don't want to get fat, don't want to ruin your life, don't want to be responsible for a child, or don't want to have to pay child support, you have some serious priority problems.


25 posted on 04/05/2006 11:11:25 PM PDT by okiecon
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To: Coleus

Pro-life bump. We need to hold their feet to the fire on this.

While I question the timing of the South Dakota vote (I only count 4 votes, at most, to overturn Roe), I fully uspport what they are trying to do. Hopefully, the ambitious national Republicans won't try to scuttle it.

The time has come to start demandign protection for teh unborn.

BTW, how is it that the killing of the yet-unborn Conor Peterson by his father was murder, but if his mother had chosen to do it at the same point, it woudl be permitted legally? Does that make any sense?


26 posted on 04/05/2006 11:16:36 PM PDT by TBP
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To: okiecon

The "choice" is. however, more limited than the feminists claim. Seldom is the woman unfettred in her actions. It is the differenve between the Norma McCorveys and the Sarah Weddington's of this world.


27 posted on 04/05/2006 11:21:48 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Echo Talon; cpforlife.org; MHGinTN; Coleus; Mr. Silverback

""I would keep the options open for rape, and incest, just my opinion""

But are the options for *you* or for the rape victim? Could it be for family pride and honor and maintaining control?

Do you automatically believe (or at least suspect) there was no rape if she doesn't want an abortion?

Have you ever seen an abortion?

Well, if you read many of these pro-life threads, you've run into one of our best writers, who is the child of rape.


28 posted on 04/05/2006 11:51:53 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: RobbyS

The choice is unilateral. If your wife told you to jump off a cliff, or, more relevant, kill your child, would you? You cannot excuse bad behavior just because women are the ones behaving badly.


29 posted on 04/05/2006 11:52:48 PM PDT by okiecon
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To: okiecon

Not excusing, just looking at the cause. Those who make choices under pressure by others cannot be held to be fully responsible, or others share that responsibility. Boyfreind or parent who wants to ditch the babe surely shares responsibility.


30 posted on 04/06/2006 12:10:59 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: hocndoc
But are the options for *you* or for the rape victim? Could it be for family pride and honor and maintaining control?

I would leave it to the mother carrying the child in cases of rape or incest. Why should they carry a child if they do not want it? Would a girl that was forced to a carry a child be a responsible mother(would she take care of herself during the pregnancy) or would she drink, smoke and do drugs or workout excessively?

31 posted on 04/06/2006 12:14:08 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon
"...rape and incest and the life of the mother should be allowed."

In some way, I'm playing devil's advocate here, but, if you object to abortion because you believe it is murder, then you have to accept that logically it is murder, no matter what the circumstances.

Though I sympathize with your exceptions, we have to acknowledge that aborting a child of rape, e.g., is murdering that child. If one chooses that route, they have to admit it was murder.

32 posted on 04/06/2006 12:30:37 AM PDT by IIntense
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To: IIntense

I agree, it is stil murder. it's also murder to kill the baby to save the life of the mother.


33 posted on 04/06/2006 12:32:44 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: 308MBR

They win by 3% because they don't take a strong stand on important issues. If they stood strong on abortion and illegal immigration, they would have landslide victories as far as the eye can see.


34 posted on 04/06/2006 12:40:37 AM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (My Homeland Security: Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper)
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To: Echo Talon
"Making a 12 year old carry and give birth..."

I understand you completely. If we believe that abortion is murder, and we have this child conceived by rape, don't we have to acknowedge that, unfortunately, we murdered this child, even if it WAS done to protect our 12 year old? I can see myself opting for abortion for my young daughter, but I should not deny what I have done.

To thine own self be true.

35 posted on 04/06/2006 12:41:51 AM PDT by IIntense
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To: IIntense
I can see myself opting for abortion for my young daughter, but I should not deny what I have done.

I would give her the choice, both pro and con.

36 posted on 04/06/2006 12:49:20 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Coleus
The AP doesn't explain why, if abortion is supposedly so radioactive an issue for Republicans, the Democrats are running a pro-life candidate in Pennsylvania. That's hundreds of miles from South Dakota. You would think every one would agree in general, abortion is a bad thing, and the less we have of the procedure, the better off the country will be. This South Dakota law doesn't only put Republicans on the spot; it puts Democrats on the spot as well. But we'll never hear the MSM run a story on how the Democrats' abortion on demand extremism has lost them ground with voters all over the clountry. Again, no media bias here!

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

37 posted on 04/06/2006 12:59:32 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Echo Talon

Abort the rapist. Keep the baby.

By the way, in general, incest is rape. At least in the argument abortion proponents are making. Otherwise they would be talking about two "consenting adults" committing incest and having an unwanted pregnancy. In this case, again, abort the criminal not the child.

Who to punish? Start with those performing the abortions. I think the mothers seeking abortions should be counseled, just as someone attempting suicide would not be charged with attempted murder.


38 posted on 04/06/2006 12:59:55 AM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: Coleus
It's come to the point where Hillary speaks more about limiting abortion than some repubilcans.

She's not for limiting abortion. It's a ruse.

39 posted on 04/06/2006 1:03:57 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: unlearner

If i was 12-14 year old girl and I was raped I would want the choice. I would probably have the baby and put him/her up for adoption. Now if i were an athlete girl like very good at it or a model, I would think twice before giving birth.


40 posted on 04/06/2006 1:04:19 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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