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Irish were Latinos of their day
The Denver Post ^ | 4/01/2006 | Bob Ewegen

Posted on 04/04/2006 5:34:55 PM PDT by neverdem

Today's rancorous debate over immigration has a parallel in the nativist reaction to the mass Irish immigration in the mid-19th century.

Spurred by the potato famine that began in 1845, 3.5 million mostly destitute Irish migrated to America by 1880 - about 7 percent of the population of 50 million. By contrast, today's 11 million unauthorized immigrants, of all nationalities, constitute just 4 percent of our population.

Contemporary immigration foes, like former Gov. Dick Lamm and Rep. Tom Tancredo, claim America can't absorb so many foreign-born without fatal damage to our economy and culture.

Yet, history shows we did just that. Today, there are 43 million Americans of Irish ancestry, a key element of the vibrant alloy that is America.

Today's nativists argue we can't compare today's illegal immigrants to the Irish, because the Irish came here legally. That's technically true, but the 19th century wave was just as uncontrolled, because America had virtually no bars to immigration in those days.

Kenneth Ackerman's book, "Boss Tweed: The Rise and Fall of the Corrupt Pol Who Conceived the Soul of Modern New York," details how the desperate Irish were welcomed at the docks by the political machine that provided the only social safety net in that era.

Tweed minions would help the newcomers find housing and work and, if there was an election in the offing, they would swiftly be naturalized as citizens in mass ceremonies by Tweed's judges, so they could vote for their benefactors.

Cartoonist Thomas Nast, who hated Irish and Catholics with equal fervor, pandered to the nativist bigotry by depicting Irishmen as drunken, subhuman brutes. The accompanying Nast cartoon depicts the role immigrants played in supporting Tweed by showing an Irish thug and a Catholic priest carving up the Democratic Party goose that laid the golden eggs.

But though the Irish were despised, they were still admitted through America's golden door. That's because Americans needed them to do our dirty work.

The first generations of Irish worked largely at unskilled and semiskilled occupations, but their children found themselves working at increasingly skilled trades. By 1900, when Irish Americans made up about 8 percent of the male labor force, they were almost a third of the plumbers, steamfitters and boilermakers. Their places at the bottom of the ladder were taken by newly arrived laborers from southern and eastern Europe.

Today, those dirty, low-paying, jobs are being taken by Latinos. But if history is any guide, the daughter of that Latina who scrubs your floor today may be the doctor who delivers my granddaughter's baby a generation hence.

To some, that is a frightening prospect. But I think Clio, the muse of history, would join with Lady Liberty herself to say:

Bienvenidos, Americanos nuevos.

Bob Ewegen is The Denver Post's deputy editorial page editor.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Colorado; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; irish; irishamericans; latinos
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To: Madame Dufarge

True, we can't let independent and rational thought stand in the way of liberalism!! :)


321 posted on 04/07/2006 2:40:57 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~| IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

They may have tried. We usually would get a warning: The gardai are coming...

Everything would hush.

Maybe a false alarm.

(grin)


322 posted on 04/07/2006 2:41:39 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Is this a nation, or a halfway house for illegals ... ?)
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To: La Enchiladita

I know one Garda who'd come into a pub to warn everyone that his colleagues are on the way!!


323 posted on 04/07/2006 2:43:42 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~| IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

Uh oh.

Well, I didn't want to be the one to say that!

It's still a lovely day here, I must away...

See you soon. Thanks for the chat.


324 posted on 04/07/2006 2:46:48 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Is this a nation, or a halfway house for illegals ... ?)
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To: La Enchiladita

Seeya La En - and thank you!!


325 posted on 04/07/2006 2:50:02 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~| IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)
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To: TigersEye

Excellent post.


326 posted on 04/07/2006 3:18:38 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: BohDaThone; Ditto; Nachum
The earlier number of 42.6% probably represents California's share among all of the states in the United States of illegal immigrants aliens, not of California's inmate population.

Jail Profile Survey Annual Report 2001

The number of criminal illegal aliens in California jails is increasing. In 1996, the number of criminal illegal aliens was reported to be 6,912 inmates, or 9.6% of the population. In 2001, this percentage had risen to 13% (9,658 inmates) even though the ADP for 1996 and 2001 were within 1,800 inmates of one another. Chart 9 illustrates the number of criminal illegal aliens in California’s jails from 1995 to 2001.

327 posted on 04/07/2006 3:56:30 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: La Enchiladita

Bundoran's my home town - take a look at some pics on my home page - might take you back!


328 posted on 04/07/2006 4:34:39 PM PDT by Colosis (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK) IRA = Ragheads)
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To: Madame Dufarge

Thank you very much.


329 posted on 04/07/2006 9:01:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (Sedition and treason are getting to be a Beltway fashion.)
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To: maryz

The Irish also didn't expect to receive a bilingual education,

They spoke English. Irish Gaelic was banned by the British.

No it wasn't.


330 posted on 04/08/2006 2:57:14 AM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: trubluolyguy
The wetbacks wanna stay Mexican.

_______________________________________________

"I agree that the Mexicans are not interested in becoming Americans, but can we leave the racism to them?"

"Wetback" is no more racist a term than "redneck".

331 posted on 04/08/2006 3:16:59 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: cairnterrier
Comparisons between 1845 America and 2006 America are invalid. Multiculturalism and diversity have largely supplanted the dominant culture. Indeed any adherence to or concern for a dominant culture is now perceived as homophobic,racist, and possibly criminal.

In 1845, all who came to America assimilated to the culture. In 2006 none will. The hordes accosting our land now will set up enclaves. They bring their culture with them. They have no desire to become Americans. They want our land and our money to perpetuate their own culture, the nation of Aztlan. They will rend the fabric of this country into tatters if allowed to persist in their self-acknowledged "reconquista". They share no values or ethics or philosophy with us. Because they do not, America will become Balkanized--the required ingredient for a civil war. There will be ethnic cleansing. They, like the Muslims, are centuries behind our advanced Western society.

They bring us nothing of value from their failed Marxist societies (except for their brute labor in a small but greatly overexaggerated segment of our economy), and wish nothing but to drag us down to their level. Their predations will reduce life in America to the equivalent of that in a third-world country in short order.

Worth repeating.

332 posted on 04/08/2006 3:28:36 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: Ditto
"My mother (the daughter of a Green Irish immigrant) married my father (the son of an Orange Irish immigrant). Naturally, I fight with myself a lot --- and enjoy it. ;~))

Same deal here.........mother was Irish Catholic.......father was Scots-Irish Presbyterian. As with most Catholics.........my mother is a diehard liberal/socialist while my father was a staunch Southern Conservative.

333 posted on 04/08/2006 3:40:25 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: neverdem
Contemporary immigration foes, like former Gov. Dick Lamm and Rep. Tom Tancredo, claim America can't absorb so many foreign-born without fatal damage to our economy and culture.

Yet, history shows we did just that. Today, there are 43 million Americans of Irish ancestry, a key element of the vibrant alloy that is America.


There is a very big difference culturally between a group of immigrants who desire to be assimilated into their new home (the Irish) and a group of immigrants who want to maintain their previous national identity (Latinos).
334 posted on 04/08/2006 3:47:06 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: abigailsmybaby
I don't get the racism argument. Is French a race now too like Mexican is?

You mean is frogs a race? ;-)

335 posted on 04/08/2006 4:01:52 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Godebert

Depends, I imagine on who you are talking to when you use it.


336 posted on 04/08/2006 10:16:35 AM PDT by trubluolyguy ((C))
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To: joanie-f

Comments urgently requested. :-)


337 posted on 04/08/2006 2:02:14 PM PDT by Minuteman23
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To: ansel12
"We faced many of those.....we were true born Americans

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What's this "we" business? What were you doing in 1863?

338 posted on 04/08/2006 2:23:00 PM PDT by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: wtc911

When I speak of my family I often use "we" in a context like this, "we" were on both sides of the war, my line, and my home state were both of the Confederacy.

Perhaps you have spoken of what "we" did in World War II, You may even have gone so far as to say "we" when speaking of your cities sports team in the playoffs.

You seem annoyed today.


339 posted on 04/08/2006 2:44:25 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: hispanarepublicana

Yes, I know there are white Hispanics.

I am one of them (Cuban).


340 posted on 04/08/2006 5:26:38 PM PDT by Sometimes A River (America can do nothing for the Muslim world)
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