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Iran Joins the Space Club, but to What End?
WILLIAM J. BROAD and DAVID E. SANGER ^

Posted on 04/03/2006 11:00:11 PM PDT by anymouse

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But what makes this satellite particularly interesting is not its capabilities, which are rudimentary, but its owner: Iran. With last year's launching and another planned in the next few weeks, Tehran has become the newest member of the international space club.

The question now asked in Washington and other capitals is whether Iran's efforts are simply part of its drive to expand its technical prowess or an attempt to add another building block to its nuclear program. In that sense, it is the newest piece of the Iranian atomic puzzle.

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But it turned out that a Russian company in the Siberian city of Omsk built Iran's first satellite, Sina-1, named after a Persian philosopher. And the Russian military launched the spacecraft from a remote base in the wilds of northern Russia.

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(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: china; defense; iran; israel; italy; miltary; missile; northkorea; nuclear; nukes; rocket; russia; space; war
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More to be concerned about Iran. Apparently the Russians have openned up the technology candy store to the Iranians.
1 posted on 04/03/2006 11:00:14 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: anymouse

What's next, a few SS-25s?


2 posted on 04/03/2006 11:05:19 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: anymouse
Fortunately, the Iranians can't launch thier own sats yet. When and if this happens the world needs to really wake the hell up to the danger of true ballistic launchers in the hands of madmen like this, ESPCIALLY if they continue(have) nukes.

I am ordering more ammo.

3 posted on 04/03/2006 11:08:58 PM PDT by Pistolshot (Condi 2008.<------added January 2004. Remember you heard it here first)
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To: anymouse

Why would a country that is sitting on 10% of the world's known oil and gas reserves need nuclear power?

Why would a country whose economy is lagging behind other oil powers, let alone world's economic powers, need to spend money on a space program (and nukes)?

Any rational explaination escapes me.

Remember, these people are NOT Arabs -- they will tell you quickly that they are Persians -- and so we can't assume its another fit of Arab inferiority complex behavior (a la Baathist or Nassir).

Are they trying to extort something from the West? If so, what is it, and why haven't they made those demands known?


4 posted on 04/03/2006 11:15:02 PM PDT by TWohlford
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To: anymouse
But it turned out that a Russian company in the Siberian city of Omsk built Iran's first satellite, Sina-1, named after a Persian philosopher. And the Russian military launched the spacecraft from a remote base in the wilds of northern Russia.

A possible technology transfer concern that officials should look into is that a company named, Final Analysis, Inc. located in Lanham, MD also worked with the only Russian satellite maker in Omsk, Siberia - Polyot. This would be of only minor concern, if the owner and upper management were not Iranians, getting their private capital from sources within Iran.

From their web site:

Final Analysis is the first American company to have launched from Russia. In January 1995, the company's FAISAT-1 satellite was lifted into low-earth orbit aboard the COSMOS light class launch vehicle. With the launch of its second satellite, FAISAT-2v, in September 1997, Final Analysis became the first American company to perform joint integration of a spacecraft with a Russian firm.

The COSMOS vehicle is built by the Russian aerospace company, Polyot, world-renowned in the aerospace and communications satellite industry for high quality, reliability and performance.

Final Analysis has gained invaluable hands-on experience in the Russian regulatory, operational, transport and logistical processes while working closely with Polyot, the Russian military and government agencies.

Could this effort be a technology mining effort for Iran to gain both U.S. and Russian space technology?

5 posted on 04/03/2006 11:21:55 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: KevinDavis

space ping


7 posted on 04/03/2006 11:24:08 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: Pistolshot

"I am ordering more ammo."

But when Iran has ballistic missile capacity, and has nukes on it and launches it onto New Mexico, your ammos would be largely useless. You would be dead even before you could act, provided the national missile defence system had not been able to stop the missiles.


8 posted on 04/04/2006 1:31:18 AM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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But when Iran has ballistic missile capacity, and has nukes on it and launches it onto New Mexico, your ammos would be largely useless. You would be dead even before you could act, provided the national missile defence system had not been able to stop the missiles.

Who says I am still going to be here in NM when it starts? That is a VERY large assumption.

9 posted on 04/04/2006 1:34:36 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Condi 2008.<------added January 2004. Remember you heard it here first)
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To: Pistolshot

I don't know - I'm just picking this out at random. But still my point remains: it would be useless to defeat enemies with your guns if the enemy decides to annihilate you using ICBMs. One, two, three, four,...in successions, they could actually reduce a whole region to rubbles without theoretically suffering any casualties from the American militias because they would be dead before they could fight back.


10 posted on 04/04/2006 1:49:17 AM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: NZerFromHK
This is not about militia fighting Iranians. This is about societal breakdown AFTER the strikes.

There will be some form of retaliation, however the devastaion, as you said, of a few areas would be catastrophic to the normal structure of government. There would be chaos, starvation, lawlessness and a general breakdown of society. Even ONE nuke will be a horrible thing on any part of the Western Hemishpere. If they shoot at Israel, Armeggedon ensues. And there is no telling how that will end except in a sea of fire around the world.

I prefer to be prepared enough to NOT be close to any metropolitan area and in a spot that is not readily accessible.
Paranoid? Hardly. Prepared? Always.

Solution, knock out the capability BEFORE it becomes a crisis.

Now that being said, it is the responsibility of the world to not allow Iran the ability to create this kind of havoc, no matter what it takes to stop it.

11 posted on 04/04/2006 3:50:55 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Condi 2008.<------added January 2004. Remember you heard it here first)
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To: Pistolshot

I was original thinking that Iran would try to bomb America with everything they had so that everyone in the US ends up dead - that's why I thought guns would be useless in such cases. But now I see your point.

I agree, that we must act to stop Iran from being able to implement this monster of the plan.


12 posted on 04/04/2006 3:57:20 AM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: anymouse
Best way to test an ICBM is call it a satellite.
13 posted on 04/04/2006 4:47:07 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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Are they trying to extort something from the West? If so, what is it, and why haven't they made those demands known?

No payoff is necessary, they just want you dead. The demands are to convert to Islam or die, and they have been saying that on the radio, TV and newspapers for years.

Such is Islam.

While we can pretend there is no such thing as good and evil, and choose to reject God, It not only does not make God not exist, but it does nothing to evil men. Except make their jobs much easier.

God will respect our wishes and stop blessing us, but Evil men will not consider our inability to comprehend their evil as anything other than opportunity.

14 posted on 04/04/2006 4:51:44 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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15 posted on 04/04/2006 5:53:54 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: anymouse
The Russians always seem to do that right before things heat up. LOTS of things Saddam had were from them.

Luckily, MOST of it is crap. Hell, the 'jammers' the Ruskies sold to Saddam were used to pinpoint targets!

As for the sat... I would think we have more than one anti-sat weapon in development that could use a real-world test... if it came to that. Though it doesn't sound like this one could warrant the attention.
16 posted on 04/04/2006 6:36:09 AM PDT by FreedomNeocon (I'm in no Al-Samood for this Shi'ite.)
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17 posted on 04/04/2006 9:21:41 AM PDT by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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Why would a country that is sitting on 10% of the world's known oil and gas reserves need nuclear power?

They might be concerned about Global Warming. It would be a little odd considering they are trying to bring about the return of the mahdi and the apocalypse, which would make Global Warming an academic question, but they might also be hedging their bets just in case the mahdi doesn't return anyway.

18 posted on 04/04/2006 9:41:36 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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Why would a country that is sitting on 10% of the world's known oil and gas reserves need nuclear power?

They might be concerned about Global Warming. It would be a little odd considering they are trying to bring about the return of the Mahdi and the apocalypse, which would make Global Warming an academic question, but they might also be hedging their bets just in case the Mahdi doesn't return anyway.

Any pusher knows better than to sample the product. Also, the less they use, the more they have to sell.

19 posted on 04/04/2006 3:41:43 PM PDT by jmcenanly
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Best way to test an ICBM is call it a satellite.

Yea... But since the Russians built the satellite and the Russians launched it for them, the Iranians don't appear to have squat except money.

20 posted on 04/04/2006 4:04:48 PM PDT by SunTzuWu (Hans Delbruck - Scientist and Saint.)
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