The Mexicans are unlike previous immigrants. This definitely needs to be read by everyone at least once! It should be linked on pertinent immigration threads. Here's an interesting link about Samuel Huntington:
Posted on 04/03/2006 7:36:42 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher
Republican senators uncertain of support for a proposal to allow illegal immigrants with jobs to remain in this country reached for a compromise late Monday to bolster votes for the measure.
Meeting into the evening in the office of Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., the lawmakers considered allowing illegal immigrants who have been in the country more than five years or other connections to the United States to remain legally and eventually seek citizenship.
"We're looking at the roots concept, and that is if they have been here more than five years," Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said after leaving the meeting. "That is a reasonable line as to people who have roots who ought to be treated differently. And if they have been here less then five years, they do not have roots to the same extent and can be treated differently, and that is what we're looking at."
The fate of those with less time in the country was unclear, but Specter, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, suggested they might be asked to go to ports of entry, like the Texas border city of El Paso.
A similar proposal was made in Specter's committee for younger, unmarried and more recent illegal immigrants before they re-entered as authorized guest workers.
Specter said the proposals _ mostly brought forward by Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb. _ would be spelled out to other Republicans on Tuesday morning.
"What we're trying to figure out is something which will be workable so 11 million undocumented will come forward, not create a fugitive class," he said.
The evening work was a sign of the pressure senators are feeling to get a bill passed by week's end. Hagel and Sen. Mel Martinez, R-Fla., who also participated in the meeting, said they were looking for a bill that would appeal to a broader base and clear the Senate to begin negotiations with the House.
The House passed a tougher bill last year that would make being in the country illegally a felony.
The Senate began its second week of debate Monday on immigration, but had yet to resolve which of three major proposals it would move forward.
A bill approved by the Judiciary Committee _ based on a proposal by Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass. _ would allow illegal immigrants in the United States before Jan. 7, 2004 and who have jobs, to work legally for an additional six years and eventually become citizens. The proposal has drawn opposition from some who consider it amnesty.
A proposal by Frist does not deal with illegal immigrants but boosts border enforcement and cracks down on employers who hire illegal workers.
A third bill proposed by Sens. John Cornyn, R-Texas and Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., would give illegal immigrants up to five years to leave the country before they can return legally to apply for permanent residence or be guest workers.
Earlier Monday, the Senate voted 91-1 in favor of a proposal by Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., to allow legal immigrants fluent in English to become U.S. citizens in four years rather than five.
An estimated 7.2 million legal permanent residents have lived in the United States long enough to become Americans, according to the Homeland Security Department's Citizenship and Immigration Services office. The wait to become an American is five years, three years if the legal permanent resident marries a U.S. citizen.
Alexander said a shorter naturalization wait might motivate more green card holders to seek U.S. citizenship.
"After we secure our borders, after we create a legal status for foreigners who work here and study here, the third indispensable step is to help prospective citizens become Americans," Alexander said.
His measure also up to $500 in vouchers to immigrants to pay for English courses and grants to groups that provide classes in U.S. history and civics, paid for by a portion of fees collected from applicants for naturalization, green cards and other immigration benefits.
President Bush is backing proposals for temporary work programs as a way "because that will relieve pressure off the border," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.
"It will allow our Border Patrol agents to focus on the criminals and the terrorists, the smugglers and traffickers that are trying to come into this country for the wrong reasons."
Also Monday, the Senate voted 84-6 in favor of providing $50 million over five years for crime fighting by local law enforcement agencies within 100 miles of the U.S.-Mexican border. The House authorized $100 million over a year for local officials within 25 miles of the border.
Earlier, a Senate panel wrestled with how to reduce a backlog of immigration cases in federal appeals courts. Most of the appeals involve people seeking asylum or those who are refugees. The appeals have risen from 1,723 cases in 2000 to 12,349 in 2005.
Sen. Lamar Alexander's amendment is S1815.
The Mexicans are unlike previous immigrants. This definitely needs to be read by everyone at least once! It should be linked on pertinent immigration threads. Here's an interesting link about Samuel Huntington:
No a mediocre bill is not progress, the immigration laws we have now are not that bad compared to what is about to be cramed down our throats. The 1986 amnesty was passed with the promise of strict Border enforcement, 20 years later we are still waiting for that to happen. Nothing passing is better than a compromise.
It is very obvious when watching a group of illegals sitting on the ground waiting to be put in a Border Patrol Vehicle, that there is no remorse, they know all that happens is, they will be taken back to the border and released to try again, and again, until they make it.
Any bill that gives any hint of a guest worker program will be translated to amnesty by the human trafficing cartels in Mexico, and the number of border jumpers will continue to increase.
I can't understand why we are so willing to compromise our country away. Maybe my up close, and personal view of the nightmare for 20 years has given me a different perspective.
Why does not anyone tell President Vincente Fox to stop creating an underclass of people so they can be sent to the USA? Has no one thought of this? He acts like he is trying to tell the USA what to do.
The USA has sent its manufacturing jobs to China, and it is sending its techinical jobs to India. USA is sending various other jobs abroad.
Here in the USA there is a generation of people with no jobs at all, living off parents, even University educated and no jobs.
Mexico needs to face up to its responsiblities. USA is trying to support and pay for the whole world, when we do not have adquate health care even for ourselves.
No doubt! Just wildly attacking from opposite extremes for the FReepers who aren't willing to.
"The House passed a tougher bill last year that would make being in the country illegally a felony."
What's the point of making a law if it isn't enforced?
"...12 million illegals will suddenly be legal guest workers..."
Hmmm, I wonder if that would help the baby-boomers social security base? Or, is Congress already thinking of ways to spend the money?
Figuring one employee costs about $100,000 per year, these don't amount to very much in terms of headcount.
Ten million $ per year is 100 law enforecment employees, to divide among the towns spanning a 2,000 mile border.
San Diego and El Paso are within 25 miles. Don't know if Tucson is with even 100 miles (probably is). Nogales?
More political eyewash, for the masses. "See, we are doing something about (illegal) immigration."
So.... the illegals who have been criminals the longest are given preference over more recent criminals?
Where's that guy who always said, "Beam me up", when you need him on the House floor?
Posted by JeffHead Jeff links to Mexica.org's 'after protest' pic fest. You can see there what the marchers thought they were marching for.
A poster for Friday’s march. March 31. This poster lists the Latino orgs that are promoting the protests. They are all communist/socialist front orgs.
Here is my analysis of what is going on behind the scenes.
Here is some evidence that 'amnesty' increases illegal entries. These people knew before the demonstrations that the time was ripe.
Smith Act of 1940 This is the U.S. statute that ought to apply to the organized gathering of tens of thousands of foreign nationals calling for the overthrow of our country.
H.R. 4437 At this link you will find a good exegesis of the only bill that doesn't offer some type of amnesty/pathway to citizenship/excuses for illegal entry. It is harsh on employers but has reasonable protections for employers who verify documents that are later shown to be false. It explains that the databases necessary are already in place. It provides for border security.
Understand that the provision that the protesters say is 'racist,' that makes illegals felons, was inserted by the Dems a short time ago. That clarifies why Hillary happened to discover the immigration issue a week before the marches. Why she demonized Republicans as "making Jesus a criminal."
Keep in mind just who organized these protests. Who provided the tens of thousands of T-shirts, the thousands of professionally made signs, the hours and hours of promotion on Spanish language radio and TV stations. It has been noticed that Islamic orgs names and logos appear on some of these signs as well. Remember that NEA teachers and adminstrators are the ones who have assisted the march organizers by providing bussing for their students, hoisting Mexican flags at school and overlooking the truancy.
Don't forget that the last two Presidential elections were nearly 50/50. Think about how our Congress is looking for a way to appease these foreign nationals through legilation. No election necessary. The outcome of legalizing 11 million illegals and encouraging more to come will be a solid lock for the left forevermore in national elections.
Mexico is Rich- Mexican wealthy play American taxpayers for suckers
Good thread for any that missed it. It should really make you mad.
Every dollar spent in U.S. taxes for social services for illegal aliens frees up additional cash to be sent south as part of the annual remittances which provided $20 billion in 2005. According to the CNN news show Lou Dobbs Tonight (3/21/05), "Remittances, as they're called, are expected to become Mexico's primary source of income this year, surpassing the amount of money that Mexico makes on oil exports for the first time ever."
James Traficant -he's doing time for racketeering, tax issues, and bribery.
We'll see, but I've got a bad feeling we're not going to like what we see.
They're hoping we'll just say "oh well".
It's a bad situation we're in here. Very bad.
Early morning BTTT. Good post at #90.
Don't forget folks that this guy was a prosecutor.
He certainly believes that any rapist, thief, or other criminal should be treated differently after 5 years as a fugitive, correct? - sheese, the only way I would consider this is if Arlen moves to Mexico.
Apparently ORielly is right
It doesn't mean anything at all to be an American anymore.Nothing
Gee, 4 years to become one instead of 5 - I went to high school longer than that.
Buy guns people - it is coming
Make the prison time to be served in Alaska. See how many return...
Yes, we certainly would not want any 'hardcore' conservatives to prevail now would we?
Despite your screen name, your time here will be short.
I have been reading your posts for awhile now and it is becoming apparent that you need meds. I'm not kidding.
Step away from the crack pipe. - You are beginning to sound like an idiot.
FINALLY! You nailed it! Thank you.
Call you Senators and demand that this monstrosity goes to the grave, where it belongs.
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