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Penn & Teller Take On Boy Scouts
courant.com ^ | April 3 06 | Hartford Courant

Posted on 04/03/2006 7:30:41 PM PDT by churchillbuff

On premium cable, "Penn & Teller" (Showtime, 10 p.m.) starts a fourth season by taking on the Boy Scouts of America, charging their anti-gay bias came after the Mormons hijacked the organization in the '70s. Brash humor keeps this lively series from becoming too strident

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bsa; bullies; heterophobia; homosexualagenda; mormons; showtime
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To: mugs99

Explain this "Mormon takeover." What was taken over? How? How is the BSA different now that the Mormons have "taken over"? How is it worse?


61 posted on 04/03/2006 10:29:00 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day ("Yo, Mike, you vant us to unpimp zis ting lemme hear you say 'vat.'")
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
"... he would be spoken to about it. It works both ways."

Thanks for clearing that up.

62 posted on 04/03/2006 10:29:19 PM PDT by mbennett203 ("Bulrog, a tough brute ninja who has dedicated his life to eradicating the world from hippies.")
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To: JCEccles

I don't know about the church, but the BSA is getting some backing...at long last!


63 posted on 04/03/2006 10:52:44 PM PDT by Fruit of the Spirit
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To: Elyse

That's excellent! Thanks for the link!


64 posted on 04/03/2006 11:05:17 PM PDT by JennysCool (Liberals don't care what you do, as long as it's mandatory.)
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To: churchillbuff

Penn & Teller are fantastic. I'm keeping the Gun Control episode on my TiVo permanently.


65 posted on 04/04/2006 1:11:25 AM PDT by StoneColdGOP (The Minutemen: Doing the Job Bush Won't Do.)
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To: JCEccles

"Penn and Teller are smug self-righteous asses. And funny only to others of their ilk."

And yet you don't like them? 8^)


66 posted on 04/04/2006 1:55:07 AM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: LibertarianInExile

Now, I am not saying I agree with you or JEccles on this issue, but...I have to give you points there. That was a well done retort!

One can enjoy sharp repartee if cleverly done...:)


67 posted on 04/04/2006 3:48:43 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: rlmorel; JCEccles

JC and I disagree on a bit, we agree on a bit. I'm just ribbin' and hope that's obvious.

I haven't seen this episode, so I don't know whether the show's title is appropriately extended to the episode or not. But generally, the show's been pretty good. I won't see it until it's on DVD, though.


68 posted on 04/04/2006 4:27:15 AM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: Hildy
Did you see Penn & Teller's show on Gun Control? It was brilliant.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5001380249576962921&q=bullshit&pl=true

69 posted on 04/04/2006 4:39:32 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Vaquero

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5001380249576962921&q=bullshit&pl=true


70 posted on 04/04/2006 4:40:13 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Join Or Die
And what if I don't buy into any of those fairy tales?

Who cares what you buy into? Your assertion was that the Boy Scouts was only for Christians. You could not be more wrong. The Boy Scouts welcomes boys of all faiths.

71 posted on 04/04/2006 4:59:27 AM PDT by LouD
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To: adam_az
Then again I grew up in NY where mormonism isn't that popular.

Ever hear of Hill Cumorah (I think I butchered that spelling) near Palmyra?

What part of NY did you grow up in? I misspent my youth in the heart of the Finger Lakes.

72 posted on 04/04/2006 4:59:55 AM PDT by MortMan (Trains stop at train stations. On my desk is a workstation...)
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To: churchillbuff

As a former Boy Scout, I'm not sure what the hell they are talking about


73 posted on 04/04/2006 5:07:47 AM PDT by Vision ("There are no limits to growth because there are no limits of human intelligence" Ronald Reagan)
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To: Join Or Die

Just curious - what fairy tale do you buy into?


74 posted on 04/04/2006 5:13:27 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Rage is the fuel that powers the islamic machine)
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To: churchillbuff

P&T may have crossed the line from sarcasm to slander with this episode. early in the episode they showed a photo of a protest outside BSA headquarters. perhaps they were attempting to document how the scouts are controversial.

the photo showed a building with "Boy Scouts of America Headquarters" lettering in the background, and indeed the protestors were holding signs the read "God hates fags". any resonably informed person would recognize that as the signage of the infamous Westboro Baptist Church group led by Fred Phelps. this group of professional anti-American protestors tour the country holding their obscene protests at funerals for fallen veterans. several states have passed laws restricting these protests at the funerals.

that's right, in a move Goebbels would be proud of, P&T showed a photo linking "God hates fags" with the BSA, while Penn does a voice-over about the BSA insensitivity to homosexuals in scouting. maybe P&T have never heard of the Westboro Baptist idiots, or maybe they just didn't care. regardless, the casual use of this misleading photo of the two groups was meant to imply linkage between "God hates fags" and the BSA.

BS is taken as entertainment, not documentary. while most of their premises are fact-based, there is a lot of humor and hyperbole thrown in to make it fun to watch. I don't think a well-informed person would learn much or become informed by their show.

I couldn't find an email link to P&T but Showtime can be contacted.


75 posted on 04/04/2006 5:25:30 AM PDT by fnord (497 1/2 feet of rope ... I just carry it)
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To: mugs99

The Mormons sponsor units that comprise about 13% of the BSA's membership, as do the United Methodists. The Roman Catholic Church is about a percentage point behind them. Neither the Mormons nor the RCC are eager to see openly homosexual leaders, and I doubt the Methodists are either. The Mormons (who have been active in sponsoring Scout units since 1916) and the RCC would very possibly take a walk out of the BSA if it changed its policies in this matter.


76 posted on 04/04/2006 5:51:04 AM PDT by RonF
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To: Choose Ye This Day; mugs99
How is the BSA different now that the Mormons have "taken over"? How is it worse?

First of all, the Mormons haven't "taken over" anything. They may be the predominant religion in certain geographical areas, hence the large number of Mormon scouts.

I could say that in the Southeast that the Baptists have "taken over" the BSA and it would still be a false argument.

Anyone who wants any religion to "take over" the BSA is a fool, no matter what your religious beliefs. The BSA charters many groups and organizations to run Troops and Packs, not just churches. The VFW and the American Legion to name a couple.

77 posted on 04/04/2006 5:55:37 AM PDT by SZonian (Tagline???? I don't need no stinkin' tagline!)
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To: Join Or Die
the BSA is an amazing idea and great for our kids. ALL of them, not just straight christians

Where did anyone get the idea that the BSA is only for Christians? Certainly not the Buddhist temple in Chicago whose annual Troop dinner I attended. Not the Hindu kid or the Jewish kid that were in my Troop. Anyone who professes any kind of religious faith, whether it is an organized one or simply personal, is welcome in the BSA. Gays are also welcome in the BSA as long as they understand that the BSA is not a place for people to discuss or express their sexuality. How much time have you spent in Scouting?

78 posted on 04/04/2006 5:56:36 AM PDT by RonF
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To: Join Or Die

If keeping kids from the predations of homosexuals is "lunatic right", count me in.


79 posted on 04/04/2006 6:04:34 AM PDT by Varda
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To: JCEccles
Penn and Teller are smug self-righteous asses.

That's what the Brady Bunch said after they shot down the "gun control" concept. Enjoy your new soulmates.

80 posted on 04/04/2006 6:07:05 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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