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'Republic, democracy, what's the difference?'
Las Vegas Review-Journal ^ | 03 Apr 06

Posted on 04/03/2006 1:07:14 PM PDT by rellimpank

Afghan Christian learns firsthand about tyranny of majority

It was Woodrow Wilson who first asserted that the United States must involve herself in overseas wars to "keep the world safe for democracy."

The construction remains in style. Following the Sept. 11 terror attacks, the Bush administration, too, has justified military attacks overseas, designed to replace the oppressive governments of Afghanistan and Iraq, on the grounds that the world will be more stable, and America safer, if only we can install democracies in that benighted corner of the world.

In Afghanistan we have succeeded. The government of President Hamid Karzai may not be pure as the mountain streams, but it is, by the standards of the region, a democracy. And that's the problem.

America is not, and was never intended to be, a democracy. It is

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afganisan; afghanchristians; democracy; republic
--a timely reminder--
1 posted on 04/03/2006 1:07:17 PM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

With some, this difference is not just semantics, but an intentional plot to destroy our form of government so it becomes a democracy, then an oligarchy.

However, most would equate the word democracy with self-government. If I were a politician, I would use the latter phrase.

As to form of government, we are most definitely a republic (thank you John Adams)


2 posted on 04/03/2006 1:10:32 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: rellimpank
Yes, we are a Constitutional Republic with some democratic expression through limited citizen voting privledges.

It really grinds me to hear just about every politician including Bush refer to the USA as a Democracy.
3 posted on 04/03/2006 1:24:58 PM PDT by Tony O (hibobbi!)
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To: Tony O

--a few years ago, my esteemed senior Senator (Harry Reid) had to have this explained to him by a radio talk-show host--


4 posted on 04/03/2006 1:39:02 PM PDT by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: rellimpank

bump for truth.

I was actually taught this in public school in rural Indiana in 1988. Our instructor was a young teacher sooo far left our class called him "Sergei". I can't even remember the guy's real name but I imagine he got reindoctrinated at some point to the party line of "republic equals democracy".

Great post.


5 posted on 04/03/2006 1:56:50 PM PDT by steve1848
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To: rellimpank

A democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner!


6 posted on 04/03/2006 2:00:17 PM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: rellimpank

Democracy is 3 wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner.


7 posted on 04/03/2006 2:06:24 PM PDT by N2Gems
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To: N2Gems

And a cacocracy is the left and right ends of the same turd arguing which end is going to float.


8 posted on 04/03/2006 2:10:32 PM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: rellimpank
In truth, we are a democratic oligarchy. We are ruled by an elite class of (mostly wealthy) career politicians. This is not what was envisioned by our founders but it is most definitely what we have become.
The ruling class does not really care what the peasants think about issues like illegal immigration because they count on the fact that members of their class will stay in power no matter what. This is also the reason that the rulers cover for each other even when the transgressor is from a different party. Loyalty to their class is more important than than the welfare of the peasants.
As long as the voters allow elections only between members of the ruling class, the situation will remain the same.
9 posted on 04/03/2006 2:13:06 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

Ya make a good point there, P.

Term limits?


10 posted on 04/03/2006 2:26:20 PM PDT by 4U2OUI (losing what I thought was sanity...and liking it.)
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To: 4U2OUI

"Term limits?"

That would be a good start.


11 posted on 04/03/2006 2:31:01 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: rellimpank

We're lucky to have been born into a country that has a Constitution. OTOH, our politicians, with the help of the people, seem intent on dismantling it as quickly as they can.

The paradox is that those who champion pure democracies usually have in mind a totalitarian state ruled by a select few. Which I guess is one reason why our founding fathers avoided it.


12 posted on 04/03/2006 2:37:35 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - ("Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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To: Bigun
A democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner!

What is good about our republic is the sheep can carry a gun. - tom

13 posted on 04/03/2006 2:45:15 PM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: rellimpank
What the founders established was a Constitutionally limited democratically elected representational bicameral legislature, executive and judiciary where the peoples interests are represented in one house, and the states interests in the other house. The legislature makes the laws, the executive implements the laws, and the judiciary oversees that the laws passed are authorized by the powers delegated to the legislature by the People as enshrined in the Constitution.

A democracy according to the 1928 Army training manual:

A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting of any form of direct expression. Results in mobocracy, attitude toward property is communistic - negating property rights.

Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to the consequences.

Results in demagogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy [Robert Welch, American Opinion, (Oct 1961), p.27]

In 1952, the Soldiers Guide gave this definition of American government:

Because the United States is a democracy, the majority of the people decide how our government will be organized and run - and that includes the Army, Navy and Air Force. The people do this by electing representatives, and these men and women then carry out the wishes of the people. [Robert Welch, American Opinion, (Oct 1961), p.27]
At about the time of George Washington's farewell address, a British professor named Alexander Fraser Tyler wrote: "A democracy can not exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discovery that they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a dictatorship."
14 posted on 04/03/2006 2:50:07 PM PDT by raygun
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To: raygun
This is one of the best recent threads of Free Republic. It should be required reading.

I think it was Aristotle who said that a "democracy" was just a small step above anarchy,and he was right,IMO.

I would look at removing pension benefits from the compensation package of our elected officials. I think that would result in cleaner government by natural attrition.

16 posted on 04/03/2006 3:01:54 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: raygun; rellimpank
> What the founders established was a Constitutionally limited democratically elected representational bicameral legislature, executive and judiciary where the peoples interests are represented in one house, and the states interests in the other house. The legislature makes the laws, the executive implements the laws, and the judiciary oversees that the laws passed are authorized by the powers delegated to the legislature by the People as enshrined in the Constitution.

Hurrah! Very well put. One of the most concise and yet complete descriptions I've read in a long time.

17 posted on 04/03/2006 3:02:26 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Prokopton
This is also the reason that the rulers cover for each other even when the transgressor is from a different party. Loyalty to their class is more important than than the welfare of the peasants.

This is why I have always said that there is no difference between Republican and Democrat. They are different colors of the same animal.
Their job is to merely get elected and stay elected by whatever means necessary. It's all about votes, power and staying in "The Club". The rest is just smoke and mirrors to get us peasants to keep on voting.

Now, between Liberal and Conservative...big difference.

18 posted on 04/03/2006 3:08:05 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Pain is nothing. Pain is weakness leaving the body.)
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To: Prokopton; 4U2OUI; All
--term limits are two years for Congresscritters and six for Senators.

I know what you mean but if the voters don't do any thing about it nothing happens. Perhaps if the congressional staffs were wiped out at the end of the limited terms (and forbidden to hold any similar position) it would help--

19 posted on 04/03/2006 3:22:25 PM PDT by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: Tony O
"Yes, we are a Constitutional Republic with some democratic expression through limited citizen voting privledges."

By any definition, it's been a long time since this country was a "Constitutional Republic". Black-robed mullahs/clerics/judges rule most of this planet.....including this former Constitutional Republic.

20 posted on 04/03/2006 5:48:08 PM PDT by SuperLuminal
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