JAYNA DAVIS - why won't Rohrbacher bring my video interviews before his committee in closed session?

Jayna Davis phone call ^ | 4-3-06 | Doug from Upland

[Velveeta]

Bump that.
I was going to ping you and here you are. :-)

[LS]

I know---and again, I'm not ruling it out. But having extensively studied the JFK assassination, almost every "conspiracy" explanation soon devolves into requiring that hundreds upon hundreds of people "knew" but "wouldn't tell the truth," and I don't find that to be credible.

[LS]

This seems to repudiate that TMcV was trained or supported by outsiders.

[P-40]

Isn't it his job to call those people?

The recent trial of Terry Nichols was a conspiracy trial and those witnesses were needed. For some reason, they never testify. Odd.

[Peach]

What was most compelling to me was the woman who survived the blast and lost her leg. I've forgotten her name.

While physicians were working to free her from the rubble, she described what she'd seen seconds before the blast. So her testimony wasn't corrupted by television or other people describing what they saw.

She identified Hussain Al-Hussaini stepping out of the Ryder truck at ground zero moments before the fertilizer/oil bomb exploded.

[LS]

Agreed, and this speaks more to the seeming fact that, when exposed to cross exam, their assertions would fall apart and be of no value. A good atty. CERTAINLY would have called them . . . if any had anything at all to say that would stand up.

[txhurl]

I'm reading The Last Templar, funny quote: 'A sure sign of a lunatic is sooner or later he brings up the Templars' lol.

[Peach]

I just went back and re-read it; how does it repudiate that McVeigh was trained or supported by terrorists?

Also, the FBI was warned in the months preceding the OKC blast that a terrorist attack was being planned for the heartland area and that "Lilly Whites" would be used and make it difficult to trace to Iraq.

[LS]

I know, and I know many people have described John Doe #3 who looks almost exactly like Jose Padilla. But eyewitness testimony, crime people will tell you, is the MOST unreliable, esp. if a woman was in a traumatic situation at the time she "saw" this.

[P-40]

she described what she'd seen seconds before the blast.

That incident is in Jayna's book too. I can't imagine someone being so brave. Your trapped in rubble and possibly going to drown in freezing water...and you take the time to tell your story. Brave beyond belief.

[Peach]

She was one of many who saw the same thing.

[nutmeg]

ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my ‘miscellaneous’ ping list.

[P-40]

hundreds upon hundreds of people "knew" but "wouldn't tell the truth,"

At least in this case the number of people who truly know must be fairly small...and it would be to each individual's detriment to have the full story come out.

[doug from upland]

I don't. Someone must have that ping list.

[LS]

No where does he say that he was in contact or in any way wanted to be compared to these people. Quite the contrary, he says he wants to be known as a "terrorist" on his own merits. That pretty well eliminates the connection as far as I'm concerned---in McVeigh's mind.

[doug from upland]

It was somewhat difficult for the defense to do its job because their client wanted to die as quickly as possible.

[LS]

I don't see how? How was it in, say, Nichols' defense atty. (who would have a multi-million book deal) "best interest" to keep such a thing a secret? Or how is it in someone in the prosecutors' office---where certainly, if this is 'real," would have had dissenters? They would stand to make a fortune. Quite the contrary, it is in EVERYONE'S best interest---McV, N, the attorneys, the prosecutors---to have the whole "expose" come out.

[Peach]

Another great link with loads of information:

http://www.greatdreams.com/john-doe-2.htm

[LS]

Irrelevant. The job of the defense is to stall that, and they have their methods. If a defense atty. REALLY had some evidence, McVeigh would have gotten a mistrial at best, plead to a lesser offense at worst. CERTAINLY this is true for Nichols.

[P-40]

their assertions would fall apart and be of no value.

I don't know. The agent on the clip I posted certainly found one of them credible...but the agent would never be able to say that on the witness stand...because the government took the position that there were no tapes. That claim has since been reversed. And it is not like you could see McVeigh once and then forget him. He stood out, to say the least.