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Premature Articulation: The Real Jill Carroll for Jimmy Carter Geraghty and Others...
Debbie Schlussel.com Blog Archives ^ | April 2, 2006 | Debbie Schlussel

Posted on 04/02/2006 9:45:26 PM PDT by goldstategop

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To: OldFriend

You are a wise man!


61 posted on 04/03/2006 7:24:01 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Claire De Lune ........ 1862)
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To: syriacus
In the ongoing adventure, the oh-so-ThirstyMan opined:

I'll never be filled with the hatred for her that some of you are.

Whereupon Syriacus responded:

"Filled with hatred"?

Judge not, that you not be judged.


Here is another scriptual reference so far as your attempt to effectively communicate with the ParchedOne:

"Don't cast your pearls before swine."
62 posted on 04/03/2006 7:32:54 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: mkjessup
"Don't cast your pearls before swine."

A good admonition to keep in mind.

63 posted on 04/03/2006 7:39:32 AM PDT by syriacus (Millions of lives might have been saved if FDR had pre-emptively deposed Hitler in 1936.)
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To: beyond the sea
You are a wise man!

LoL, Old Friend is definitely NOT a "wise man".

(A wise woman, yes.)

64 posted on 04/03/2006 8:13:08 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: ThirstyMan

Yeah, but she drank the kool-aid.


65 posted on 04/03/2006 9:22:57 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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To: syriacus; mkjessup; ThirstyMan
Judge not, that you not be judged.

Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle.

66 posted on 04/03/2006 10:41:33 AM PDT by ER Doc
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To: Lancey Howard
Hey............. I was just driving up my private road about 40 minutes ago.

A group of "construction" workers were replacing a neighbor's driveway moments ago. Having seen a 'Weather Station' warning that Pittsburgh is right in the middle of a Tornado Warning........ I stopped to tell them. One of the workers tried to kick my *ss for telling him that. He said that I was just trying to break up his day.

I tried one more time to tell him that the weather report was true.............. the guy lifted a shovel at my head. I said.............. "see you later, dogleg" (a little golf lingo. The guy went nuts.

This is crazy............... he voted for Kerry. Bummer.

Now............. there is another line of storms coming our way in about 50 minutes.............. I hope this sicko gets hit.

67 posted on 04/03/2006 10:53:51 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Claire De Lune ........ 1862)
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To: ER Doc; mkjessup; syriacus
http://www.alternet.org/story/21723/

Well with a little time and some effort I found one of the Christian Science Monitor articles written by Jill Carroll, written a year ago. Judge for yourself. I'm done trying to convince you guys of anything.

68 posted on 04/03/2006 1:39:14 PM PDT by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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To: ThirstyMan; ER Doc; syriacus
I'm done trying to convince you guys of anything.

("He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot.")
- Groucho Marx
69 posted on 04/03/2006 2:06:47 PM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: ThirstyMan
"...I happen to have conservative friends who have gone there because of financial reasons. Shame on everyone for thinking stereotype stupid. That's all I can say. I'm very disappointed...and from Massachusetts."

It is true that there ARE conservatives in Massachusetts, just as there ARE conservatives at UMASS Amherst. I am sure there are conservatives at Wellesley College, Amherst, and even at Brandeis University.

The point is, that the overwhelming majority of students going to UMASS and graduating from UMASS are very liberal. But, I think that is secondary to the point, which is guilt by association. If we did indeed participate in guilt by association, then she would be "guilty as charged" being a journalist, which is, after all, a profession even MORE liberal than the Democratic party. But whether she is or isn't a liberal, or a jihadist, or whatever, doesn't mean I am not glad she is safely home with her feet on American soil and her head on her shoulders.

And I do agree that we shouldn't judge her solely on the basis of profiling her. By profiling, I mean: "She is an Arabist, a journalist, and a graduate of UMASS Amherst...therefore she is in bed with the thugs."

I, for one, am willing to let her words and actions do the job of defining her. As I said in a previous post, if she was still under the guns of her captors, there is nothing she can say that can be taken at face value. That is duress.

70 posted on 04/03/2006 2:27:43 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: rlmorel
Well thanks for the response to what I actually said.

That was refreshing!

71 posted on 04/03/2006 3:50:33 PM PDT by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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To: ThirstyMan

No problem. Please don't misunderstand me. I am not one of those people who think she is a scummy, lying traitor.

I just happen to think she holds liberal views (my opinion, based solely on what her friends and acquaintances have said about her beliefs in numerous interviews over the time she was in captivity), and it is my guess that she will either confirm or disprove that in the weeks ahead, since she is sure to be pursued for air time.

If it were anyone else, my guess is they might eschew the cameras, but being in the profession she is in, I would venture she might want to speak her piece in the media, and I am sure she will get the opportunity to do so.

And I AM most gratified she is free. Those people over there make me shudder.


72 posted on 04/03/2006 4:10:11 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: ER Doc
Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle.

I do try to keep my inherited tendency, to call things as I see them, in check. I can't remember the last time I called a fellow freeper a name.

73 posted on 04/03/2006 4:13:33 PM PDT by syriacus (Millions of lives might have been saved if FDR had pre-emptively deposed Hitler in 1936.)
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To: syriacus
Remember the Italian journalist, Giuliana Sgrena, who wrote for Italian communist newspaper Il Manifesto, and was taken hostage? She said she was warned by her captors that the US would try to kill her when she was released. When she was released her car was shot at by Americans and an Italian agent in her car was killed.

Giuliana Sgrena had been kidnapped ...on February 4, [2005] while working as a non-embedded journalist in Iraq for the Italian communist newspaper Il Manifesto. Some have argued she was overconfident because she thought kidnappers would only target pro-American journalists, but others counter she was fully aware of the risks.During her captivity she was shown in a video pleading that the demands of her kidnappers, the withdrawal of Italian troops from Iraq, be fulfilled. Her release was subsequently negotiated and she was freed on March 4, 2005

Today in Italy

Special service by AGI on behalf of the Italian Prime Minister's office

CALIPARI: IRAQI VERSION AND EX NSA AGENT AT JUDGE'S SCRUTINY

(AGI) - Rome, 29th March - Rome's prosecutor's office wants to interrogate Mustafa Mohamed Salman, the terrorist held in an Iraqi prison who apparently revealed unknown particulars with respect to certain kidnappings, including those relating to Giuliana Sgrena and the death of the '007' agent that freed her, Nicola Calipari, to local police.

According to Salman, Calipari was killed because the Sunnite Mosque's Imam, who was supposed to have been interviewed by the 'Manifesto' journalist, on the 4th of February 2005, advised the U.S. about a car bomb on the road to the airport, indicating that it was contained in the vehicle carrying the Italians.

She was released on March 4. On March 6th she made the claim that

she might have been deliberately targeted, a consequence of the United States' disapproval of the means of her liberation. "The fact is that they do everything to prevent the adoption of this practice [paying ransoms] to save the lives of people held hostages, everybody knows that. So I do not see why I should rule out that I could have been the target,
Wednesday, April 27th, 2005 Giuliana Sgrena Blasts U.S. Cover Up, Calls for U.S. and Italy to Leave Iraq
AMY GOODMAN: What are you calling for?

GIULIANA SGRENA: I am calling for the withdrawal of the troops.

AMY GOODMAN: From Iraq?

GIULIANA SGRENA: Yes, of course. The Italian troops from Iraq, and also the Americans. But for the moment, as I am Italian, I ask for the withdrawal of the Italian ones. But my situation will be the withdrawal of all the troops from Iraq.


75 posted on 04/03/2006 4:56:19 PM PDT by syriacus (Millions of lives might have been saved if FDR had pre-emptively deposed Hitler in 1936.)
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To: meagereater
Why is it that just because the MSM is running positive pieces that I as a conservative am supposed to hate her?

Is someone demanding you hate her? I'm not. I'm questioning her politics.

That's allowed....isn't it?

76 posted on 04/03/2006 4:58:02 PM PDT by syriacus (Millions of lives might have been saved if FDR had pre-emptively deposed Hitler in 1936.)
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To: ThirstyMan
Well with a little time and some effort I found one of the Christian Science Monitor articles written by Jill Carroll, written a year ago. Judge for yourself. I'm done trying to convince you guys of anything.

Could you please tell me the title of the CSM article?

77 posted on 04/03/2006 5:06:04 PM PDT by syriacus (Millions of lives might have been saved if FDR had pre-emptively deposed Hitler in 1936.)
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To: syriacus

http://www.alternet.org/story/21723/

That's the title, well enough. Go read it. Don't hang with the bad mouth slackers.


79 posted on 04/03/2006 6:10:08 PM PDT by bvw
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To: rlmorel
I just happen to think she holds liberal views (my opinion, based solely on what her friends and acquaintances have said about her beliefs in numerous interviews over the time she was in captivity), and it is my guess that she will either confirm or disprove that in the weeks ahead, since she is sure to be pursued for air time.

Thank you once again for this dialogue!

And I concur with what you say. She probably does hold liberal views. She may make me look foolish for standing up for her. I'll be interested to see how this plays out.

I mean being up close and personal with those totalitarian savages, threatening her life and denying her her freedom MAY have had a positive affect on her.

Maybe it will have changed her opinion of them and their cause. Maybe being free now and back with her family will align her more to the reality of what USA freedom is all about. It's a huge maybe, I know. I believe in what we hold dear, that's all.

80 posted on 04/03/2006 8:33:57 PM PDT by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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