Premature Articulation: The Real Jill Carroll for Jimmy Carter Geraghty and Others...

Debbie Schlussel.com Blog Archives ^ | April 2, 2006 | Debbie Schlussel

[ThirstyMan]

What Jill's personal views are, we do not know.
Guilt by association can be a dangerous thing...not always fact...ask Mary Maitlin.

Many like me, who complained about the premature judgment of Jill, did so not because they knew she was a true blue American, she may not be. I complained because the press made a HUGE misrepresentation of the video she made. It was a coerced propaganda piece, filled with obvious contradictions, made at gunpoint (it was later revealed) at Sunni Party HQ, made BEFORE her release, not after, for which her cooperation was a pre-condition of her release.

This is the ONLY fact that I have disputed here on FR, in the face of a bevy of uninformed patriotic haters.

I continue to say, wait for the real FACTS not the hearsay:
because she knew Arabic, woop-ti-doo! That proves?
because she knew Marla Ruzicka? that's guilt by association
because she was employed by a Jordanian newspaper? do we have any samples of her articles?

I say we follow the FACTS not the hype!

[skimask]

In Catholic school the nuns would always say..."Show me your friends and I'll tell you what you are". I have never, to this day, found that statement to be false.

[ThirstyMan]

That's a defensive position for sure. People who believe in their own values reach out to others. Jesus ate with sinners, was condemned for it, guilt by association you know, didn't the nuns teach you that?

[skimask]

Eating with them and having them as friends are two entirely different things.

[claudiustg]

---do we have any samples of her articles?---

Ah, but none have called for that, have they?

[tobyhill]

Wow, after reading this I hope Carroll has a short visit back here in America and returns to her beloved Middle-East as soon as possible. I certainly wouldn't want her to be miserable in a land she hates. Who's baby will she have, Bin Laden's or Zarqawi's? Oh, I guess it doesn't matter since she's in bed with them all.

[mkjessup]

GoldstateGOP said:
Jill Caroll is STILL an Islamist, terror-supporting Tokyo Rose.

Then YOU said:
So what's your point? Would you have been happy if they cut her head off? And if you say no...you're lying. And that's sickening.

Perhaps you could explain how you get 'lying and sickening' out of a statement of truth that "Jill Caroll is STILL an Islamist, terror-supporting Tokyo Rose."?

Jihad-Jillie was never in any danger of getting the Nick Berg treatment because as has been amply pointed out, she was (and IS) ONE OF THEM!

Talk about premature articulation!

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

4.) She recently graduated from Zoo Mass, Amherst. A Madrassa in the "tribal regions" of Pakistan couldn't be more comprehensively anti-American and anti-Isreali.

[dennisw]

Great info here

[rlmorel]

I think the point GoldstateGOP is making is that even though she may have said the things in her interview under duress, if you throw out the parts about her not being mistreated, then what she said does not differ substantially from what she said before she was kidnapped, as a free person.

I didn't hear him imply that they should have cut her head off. She is lucky they didn't...but he did imply that she is closer ideologically to any of her captors than she is to any of her fellow US Citizens.

Personally, I am glad she was safely released. I hold out hope that she may understand the real nature of the people she supported, but...I am not holding my breath.

If there is one thing that human beings do very well, it is to rationalize and justify.

[rlmorel]

She recently graduated from Zoo Mass, Amherst. A Madrassa in the "tribal regions" of Pakistan couldn't be more comprehensively anti-American and anti-Isreali.

As a fellow Massachusetts resident, I couldn't agree more with that statement.

[rlmorel]

What Jill's personal views are, we do not know.

On the contrary, I think her personal views were well known prior to her kidnapping. Unless she has had a battlefield conversion, she may well hold the exact same views, which are pro-arabic, anti-US and anti-Israel.

I would like to think she has seen the real nature of the beasts who kept her captive, but time will tell.

Honestly, though, I expect to see statements from her along the lines "I am angry about being taken captive, BUT...what we are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan is wrong..."

[syriacus]

Carroll's facial contortions, in the video in which she pleaded for the release of female prisoners, strongly resembled the facial contortions used by professional "victim" Cindy Sheehan.

[syriacus]

Jesus ate with sinners,

He mostly "hung around" with people interested in conversion away from the "dark side."

Was Carroll trying to help the jihadists see the error of their ways?

[syriacus]

Thanks for posting this "heads-up," goldstategop. I'm curious to know what Jill was doing when women were being executed by the Taliban and tortured by Saddam.

Bush's pre-emption saved more lives than anything Carrol can do. Think of all the lives that would have been saved if FDR would have "pre-emptively" deposed Hitler.

[7thson]

You got that right. Who was that truck driver that was kidnapped early on and managed to escape on his own? It seems the media have forgotten about him. On WMAL, Andy Parks says his BS meter pinged big-time concerning this woman. Mine too! Within the year, she will be hitting the usual suspect lib programs and outlets - the college campus's, Larry King, etc. - spouting off against the WOT.

[John D]

Why would they cut off her head if she was in on the so called kidnapping? She wanted to help her muslim buddies get some money, but that did not work. Now she wants to write a book.

[PGalt]

Great post. I welcomed Jill home on another thread recently.

It will be interesting to see if she throws down her pen and joins The United States Military now.

The rest of her life/work will be very interesting.

Every day she has choices.

Great post. Thanks.

[Doc Savage]

Thankful she's home???? What the hell was she doing there in the first place except playing Abdul's whore??? Get real. This dweeb hates America! She'd be the one laughing while they killed you!