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Letter to Editor - Illegal Immigration - Ask Bishop when is okay to break law!
Georgia Bulletin ^ | 3/30/2006 | Lisa Olwine

Posted on 04/01/2006 1:05:20 PM PST by petkus

LETTER To the Editor. A s a Catholic who struggles to reconcile the U.S./Mexican illegal immigration crisis with Christian principles, I was grateful to see and eager to read Bishops Gregory and Boland's pastoral letter on immigration reform. However, after studying the document I was disappointed and dismayed—not by what was said but by what was left unsaid.

Expecting a comprehensive exploration of the moral responsibilities of all parties involved, I found the overwhelming focus of the letter to be, in essence, the failure of U.S. taxpayers to be sufficiently generous to those who reside here illegally. While I appreciated our bishops' insistence on the protection of the human rights of all immigrants, legal status or no, it is only one part of the moral equation.

Entirely ignored was the question of the extent to which immigrants are morally obligated to observe a country's laws governing entrance and residence. And if one's moral obligation to abide by the law is mitigated by one's difficult financial circumstances, how are we to discern to which situations this moral leniency does and does not apply? If 1 am in dire financial straits through no fault of my own, may I, with moral impunity, choose to cheat on my taxes (say, by forging Social Security numbers to obtain tax credits for nonexistent offspring) rather than attempt the lengthy process of going through the proper IRS channels for possible relief? Consistent pastoral guidance for individuals in such situations is essential.

Moreover, unlawful activity begets more of the same. Because they have chosen to enter the U.S. by other than legitimate means, illegal immigrants must choose between having their illegal status discovered or the breaking of additional laws—e.g., driving without a license or driving with a forged license. Paradoxically, the thing that gives the U.S. its stability—its rule of law—is the very thing being undermined by those who seek the stability offered by this country. To what degree can the escalating unlawfulness be morally justified? At what point does Jesus' injunction to "render unto Caesar" become applicable?

Referenced only in passing within the pastoral letter is the moral obligation of Mexico (a developed country with natural resources) to rise to its potential and provide adequate opportunities for its own citizens. As jointly stated by U.S. and Mexican bishops, its failure to do so is the root problem of illegal immigration. What pressure are Mexican bishops exerting to make their government more accountable to its people? Do not measures (by both the U.S. and Mexico) that embolden and encourage illegal immigrants ultimately serve to enable Mexico to persist in its dysfunctional state? If so, are our good intentions perhaps misguided compassion? If a person is not seeking asylum due to starvation, persecution, etc., is he ever morally bound not to simply abandon his troubled country but to work toward, fight for its improvement?

The purpose of my letter is not to argue but to beseech our bishops to shepherd us to a comprehensive understanding of the morality involved in all the various components of this dilemma.

Lisa Olwine Lawrenceville


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderlist
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To: Mrs. Don-o; sheana
You wrote: "My sis in law works at a Catholic parish ...Last year they did over 1800 baptisms. I asked how many were to illegal alien parents, she said at least 50%."

Wow. She investigated 1800 couples to determine their immigration status? Or... wait a minute ... they all just came up and told her?

Sis in law must be smarter than you since she can figure out what's going on. It's amusing to see a freeper play stupid.

61 posted on 04/01/2006 5:22:02 PM PST by dennisw (If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles-Sun Tzu)
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To: dalereed
You don't have to ask, I have nothing but contempt for the catholic church.

My contempt is for their aiding and abetting illegal immigration. This affects all Americans. I never posted here on the priest molestation threads. That's an internal Church matter. Their illegal immigration policies are not

62 posted on 04/01/2006 5:25:14 PM PST by dennisw (If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles-Sun Tzu)
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To: hispanichoosier

You know this is a red herring. The house bill isn't about nuns, its about coyotes. Good thing we have the internet to get better information.


In a statement Monday, Sensenbrenner called it "fear-mongering that clergy and good Samaritans will be thrown in jail." He said the aim of the House was to make it easier it to prosecute those who smuggle immigrants across the border. Nevertheless, the Senate committee Monday adopted different language from the House to specifically exempt aid workers and charitable groups from criminal penalties.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=411237

Providing for the needy is important, but do we not have an obligation to our own citizens who are being harmed by this?


63 posted on 04/01/2006 5:35:29 PM PST by sgtyork (May it ever be so, that our government is not afraid to trust the people with arms)
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To: hispanichoosier

You know this is a red herring. The house bill isn't about nuns, its about coyotes. Good thing we have the internet to get better information.


In a statement Monday, Sensenbrenner called it "fear-mongering that clergy and good Samaritans will be thrown in jail." He said the aim of the House was to make it easier it to prosecute those who smuggle immigrants across the border. Nevertheless, the Senate committee Monday adopted different language from the House to specifically exempt aid workers and charitable groups from criminal penalties.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=411237

Providing for the needy is important, but do we not have an obligation to our own citizens who are being harmed by this?


64 posted on 04/01/2006 5:35:31 PM PST by sgtyork (May it ever be so, that our government is not afraid to trust the people with arms)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens."

Doesn't this explictily refer to legal immigration?

Shouldn't have to say it, but the left will distort this.... This is about illegal immigration!!!!


65 posted on 04/01/2006 5:42:34 PM PST by sgtyork (May it ever be so, that our government is not afraid to trust the people with arms)
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To: HiJinx

"Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many." Mat 7:13 RSV


66 posted on 04/01/2006 5:44:29 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (Bishops- beyond your expectations!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens."

Or what? They'll give them more aid?

67 posted on 04/01/2006 5:56:19 PM PST by raybbr
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To: petkus

ILLEGAL ALIENS come here for a better life, YOURS, are you willing to lie down your life and give it to them???


68 posted on 04/01/2006 5:57:43 PM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: bordergal

All the catholic church is looking for is more members. They don't care otherwise...


69 posted on 04/01/2006 5:59:03 PM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: kalee

for later reading


70 posted on 04/01/2006 6:03:22 PM PST by kalee
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To: Coleus
Our diocese subsidizes at least five of the churches in heavily Hispanic neighborhoods,this amounts to just about all of the parishes that have a large number of Mexicans. The Bishop uses money from his annual diocesan collection and which has given to him by parishioners from wealthier parishes.

Furthermore,many of the wealthier parishes have kind of adopted Hispanic parishes and give money and assistance to them on a regular basis. We also have the Saint Vincent DePaul Societies in every city which help to feed,clothe,shelter and provide medical assistance to the poor,that includes many Hispanics as well as those of other ethnicities and races. There are other Catholic organizations that help all of the poor. The Knights of Columbus give financial aid,scholarships and a lot of gifts at Christmas.

Statements made about wanting them up here to enrich collections are so absurd it is almost embarrassing to read the totally uninformed,silly opinions of Freepers,who to this point I had thought were generally fairly bright.

71 posted on 04/01/2006 6:06:48 PM PST by saradippity
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To: sitetest

I was using the 10% as the tithe I was always told to be appropriate and what I try to always give.

Only 2.2% for such a rich Church - and these illegals will make a financial dent, how? Hillarious.


72 posted on 04/01/2006 6:08:51 PM PST by Brytani (Someone stole my tagline - reward for its return!!!)
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To: petkus
When is okay to break the law?

Silly you! When it is done by a "compassionate liberal or a democrat politician trying to stick it to President Bush, of course!

73 posted on 04/01/2006 6:22:10 PM PST by Libertina
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To: sinkspur
No he's not. The Church loses money ministering to illegals. Legal Hispanics don't donate to the Church much.

It is the illegals who send the money back to their home villages in Mexico

Illiegals

74 posted on 04/01/2006 7:21:00 PM PST by Rooivalk
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To: toddlintown

Kind of hard to support the church or bother to pay taxes when you're sending half of your income back to Mexico.


75 posted on 04/01/2006 7:56:14 PM PST by CheyennePress
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To: I got the rope

First time I've ever heard of Emperor Maximilian seizing the property of the Catholic Church during his brief reign. He was a Habsburg and they were generally pretty devout Catholics (his great-nephew Karl was declared a "blessed" by Pope John Paul II). I was under the impression that the periods when the Mexican government was particularly hostile to the church was under Benito Juarez and following the Mexican Revolution in the early 20th century.


76 posted on 04/01/2006 7:58:10 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: television is just wrong

"All the catholic church is looking for is more members. They don't care otherwise..."

Are you listening to what you're actually saying? And do you really believe that?


77 posted on 04/01/2006 8:05:11 PM PST by CheyennePress
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To: Verginius Rufus

Your right...I was mistaken. Maximillian did give some property and some Bishops back...was I thinking Napoleon?

Benito Juarez died in the early 1870's, but he did persecute the Catholic Church.


78 posted on 04/01/2006 8:11:46 PM PST by I got the rope (I love that song!)
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To: hershey
Of course the church wants them coddled and cared for. They can hear the jingle of coins hitting that collection plate on Sunday morning.

Oh, please. These folks don't have two coins to rub together. They won't be putting big bucks in the collection basket. I believe the Bishops are operating under a misguided notion of Christian charity when it comes to illegals, but it's NOT all about the money.

79 posted on 04/01/2006 8:15:59 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Lurker
As far as I'm concerned the American Catholic Church lost any claim to moral high ground when they engaged in a massive conspiracy to protect pedophiles in their employ.

Do you feel the same way about the educational establishment in this country, which has basically done the same thing?

They should have their tax exemption yanked and be prosecuted under the RICO statutes for that alone.

Ain't gonna happen.

80 posted on 04/01/2006 8:17:23 PM PST by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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