Posted on 03/31/2006 8:03:52 PM PST by Howlin
DURHAM, N.C. - The father of the woman who has accused members of the Duke lacrosse team of sexually assaulting her said he didn't find out that his daughter was the reported victim - and that she is an exotic dancer - until a reporter visited his house.
The retired trucker who lives in Durham said he saw his daughter the day after the reported attack, but she didn't say anything was wrong. She even left her car at the house for several days because he said she didn't want to drive it.
Her father, a quiet man who tinkers on cars as a hobby, said he saw news reports about the attack.
"I didn't know it was my daughter," he said. The Charlotte Observer generally does not name victims of sexual assault, so his name is being withheld to protect the identity of his daughter.
The case has ignited campus protests and stirred racial tension in Durham. The woman at the center of the case is black, and the men she accuses are white. She also is a student at N.C. Central University, a historically black college near Durham's inner-city, compared with the more expensive Duke campus.
DNA tests have been conducted on 46 of the lacrosse players, who deny the allegations. A 47th member, who is black, was not tested because the woman said her attackers were white.
Last week, a reporter stopped by the reported victim's house looking for her, the woman's father said, but he said he didn't know what was going on. He called his daughter and she said the district attorney told her not talk to anyone.
"(She) didn't tell us anything about it," he said.
He said he also found out through the media that his daughter, who is the youngest of three, was an exotic dancer.
"She always told me she was going to work," he said.
On Friday, he installed a timing belt in a car and watched his daughter's two children play outside the house. He said working on cars and playing with the grandchildren helps take his mind off what's happening with his daughter.
He said she seems to be doing "pretty good," and so is the rest of the family. He said they haven't talked much about the reported incident, but it weighs heavily on his mind. He said he's grateful that N.C. Central has been so supportive, but he doesn't like how his daughter has been portrayed in the media. And he's especially frustrated that no one has been charged in the connection with the allegations.
"If it had been anybody but them, they would have been locked up, but yet they didn't because it's Duke," he said. "I hope them boys - if they did it - I hope they get what they deserve. I hope they don't go lenient on them."
District Attorney Michael Nifong said he's waiting for results of the DNA test and that he does not expect to file charges in the case any earlier than next week.
What has changed is that we recognize today that all women can be raped, not just virtueous white women of high social standing who were attacked by strangers and weren't wearing clothes or making gestures that were "asking for it".
Not just virtuous white wymmin, eh? Why don't you just bring out the rest of what you are waiting to bring out. That only white women were believed? BS. I can recall cases where a woman was RAPED and murdered. And the perp went on death row. So would you please provide me with all the cases you know of where:
A. Any woman raped, perp was given death penalty before or since the 70s. Pls.
I argue that rape used to have meaning, and carry more weight in law. I also assert that the feminists have totally balled up "rape". What idiots. Feminists have made a mockery of "rape" and "rape" laws. And with the libertine philosophies of "just do it" from the usual socialists, "rape" carries blurry lines. It didn't used to.
I think you are on the right track- I think that the rape of a prostitute by a john as theft rather than rape implicitly makes prostitution legal, as you would have to argue that an legal contractual obligation was formed that constituted consent. I would argue that even lowering it to assault would do the same thing.
Now how a jury sees rape of a prostitute vs. rape of an innocent stranger is another thing. Many would only give the maximum sentence in the latter case.
I recall reading 2.3 miles from the house to Kroger. Of course there would have been little traffic at that time of night.
The second stripper "Kim," who drove the two strippers from the house to Kroger, was not the one who called police. It was the security guard at Kroger who called police, saying a woman was telling her another woman refused to get out of her car.
It's quite possible that some time elapsed during which Kim tried to convince the other stripper to get out of her car, before Kim went to get the security guard involved. Who knows, maybe they spent 10-15 mins in the Kroger parking lot before the security guard became involved.
Nope. That's not what I'm saying. Nor am I saying it justifies being raped. And Nope, I'm not saying "because he bought her dinner, she better deliver". That's so arcane.
She, the prostitute, has verbally transacted a trade: money for sex. She has moved herself physically to a place for the transaction to take place. That's quite different from going on a date for dinner and show, wouldn't you agree?
Your scenario works only if she has by direct or implied words said she was In the Trade. And that was her explicit, specific interest in you, a consumer.
But she was not thefted, that's what the socialists would say. She was assaulted. If the perp had major toe fetishes, and "projected" forcibly his big toe into her nose, wouldn't that constitute "ASSAULT"? If she has consented to a sexual activity as a trade, this then is NOT theft and because the trade is "illegal": It is not acknowledged, legally, as a "business". Nor are drugs, for that matter. Kinda reminds me of the guy who calls the police, filing a report that someone stold some of his stash. Or an illegal immigrant claiming someone stole their Identity.
But you raise a provocative point here:
Now how a jury sees rape of a prostitute vs. rape of an innocent stranger is another thing. Many would only give the maximum sentence in the latter case.
Not necessarily so. There's entire campus, DUKE, who are out to harm and terrorize some innocent students just upon an ACCUSATION of rape. These folks can be the jury. In which case, no proof, no distinctions, are necessary for a hysterical mob ruling.
Yes, but keep in mind that rape is also known as sexual assault or sexual battery in many jurisidictions. Lack of consent is key in any form of assault/battery.
Not necessarily so. There's entire campus, DUKE, who are out to harm and terrorize some innocent students just upon an ACCUSATION of rape. These folks can be the jury. In which case, no proof, no distinctions, are necessary for a hysterical mob ruling.
Much of the uproar is due to 1) race and 2) that it involves Duke. Had this stripper alleged rape by NCCU's football team, we wouldn't have even heard of this case, even if it were on videotape. But this story has America's two main obsessions: race and sex, and the media smelled blood.
Yes, but keep in mind that rape is also known as sexual assault or sexual battery in many jurisidictions. Lack of consent is key in any form of assault/battery.
So, you are saying that no matter, it will boil down to a rape charge. If the prostitute accepts the money, and then has it wrested out of her hands, this means she didn't consent. Or if she gave the money back saying she changed her mind? It will still all come down to a "sexual assault/battery" charge? That sounds plausible. We still don't know that she was raped, and if she was, who did it.
Se this is the part the msm isn't telling you. They're making it look like the woman was raped and then once she escaped, she called the police. But the victim never called the cops. The other stripper never called the cops. The security guard called the cops. The cops come and see the victim wearing a see through negligee. What's going on they ask suspiciously. Now the victim had been in trouble with the police before- drunken driving, assaulting a cop. So what is she going to say- these Duke guys stole back the money they paid me to strip. Or, "I was raped" The only thing is - how do you explain the injuries consistent with vaginal and anal assault?
AND they think it's okay because they "understand" the accuser. We don't need more "journalists" like this.
In this era of fake hate crimes, sure, I think they could have planned it. But, right now, we just don't know enough about what happened to decide. The guys may be totally guilty.
It's not inconceivable she was raped at the party as she has claimed. On the other hand, we have no information on what she was doing before midnight. Recall in the Kobe case, it was also said the alleged victim had vaginal and anal injuries "consistent with" sexual assault. Who knows, perhaps she had rough sex with a customer or her boyfriend before showing up to do her stripper act at the party. Perhaps she could have caused the observed conditions herself through a sex toy.
"the heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked; who can know it?"
I would argue that if a prostitute agrees to have sex with a john, and then prior to the sex act for whatever reason (she wants a higher price, he wants to sex with her with a broomstick, etc) she changes her mind, and he forces her to have sex anyway, then that is rape or sexual assault even if he pays her. If the prostitute and the john have consensual sex and he then skips out on payment, that would not be rape or even theft, since selling your body for sex is an illegal contract. The timing is key, IMO.
In any case, the players claim that they didn't have sex with her, so if they are telling the truth than this whole conversation is irrelevant to this case. I wonder what is holding up the DNA results, it is almost Friday of the week when they were to come back.
Typical sources of DNA are semen, hair, and skin (from scratches). Without sex at all, there could still be fingernail scrapings. I don't know how often head hair is transferred from person to person, or how close in proximity they would need to be.
Thanks for that link. I've been searching for something like that, but never expected on that site.
WRAL reported last night that this happened in 2002; that she had given a cab driver a "lap dance," then stole his cab and the police gave chase after the taxi driver called them; it was a HIGH SPEED chase, through two counties; she finally came to a dead end, where the police thought they had her cornered, stopped their car and got out, whereup she drove straight for them; when they finally caught her, her blood alcohol was .19, more than twice the legal limit. Frankly, I'm sick of NOT hearing about this woman's name or past crimes; they willing smear these boys who haven't even been charged, yet they don't mention one word about her -- and it sounds like she has a PATTERN of involvement with the law.
One thing I have been thinking about is I wonder how the parents of these boys, probably mostly Northern Yankees, now feel with the shoe on the other foot.
Before this is over, they will be bigger bigots than any homegrown racist you will ever meet.
I thought that article was frightening.
If it is true, by not disclosing what they have found out, aren't they doing just exactly what they have accused "whitey" of doing for years -- closing ranks?
17 New York
4 Virginia
9 Maryland
7 New Jersey
1 Delaware
1 Ontario
2 Pennsylvania
1 Illinois
2 Connecticut
2 Texas
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The players are saying that they didn't have sex with her, period. There is no chance she would have any of their semen inside of her if they are telling. There is no consenual sex defense being used by the players. I assume that, given that they are Duke students and have grown up in the era of CSI and Law and Order, that they know that if they had sex with her at all there is a chance that some DNA would be inside her, even with condoms. I assume that their lawyers are competent, and would explain how fatal lying about whether sex took place would be to their case.
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