Posted on 03/31/2006 8:03:52 PM PST by Howlin
DURHAM, N.C. - The father of the woman who has accused members of the Duke lacrosse team of sexually assaulting her said he didn't find out that his daughter was the reported victim - and that she is an exotic dancer - until a reporter visited his house.
The retired trucker who lives in Durham said he saw his daughter the day after the reported attack, but she didn't say anything was wrong. She even left her car at the house for several days because he said she didn't want to drive it.
Her father, a quiet man who tinkers on cars as a hobby, said he saw news reports about the attack.
"I didn't know it was my daughter," he said. The Charlotte Observer generally does not name victims of sexual assault, so his name is being withheld to protect the identity of his daughter.
The case has ignited campus protests and stirred racial tension in Durham. The woman at the center of the case is black, and the men she accuses are white. She also is a student at N.C. Central University, a historically black college near Durham's inner-city, compared with the more expensive Duke campus.
DNA tests have been conducted on 46 of the lacrosse players, who deny the allegations. A 47th member, who is black, was not tested because the woman said her attackers were white.
Last week, a reporter stopped by the reported victim's house looking for her, the woman's father said, but he said he didn't know what was going on. He called his daughter and she said the district attorney told her not talk to anyone.
"(She) didn't tell us anything about it," he said.
He said he also found out through the media that his daughter, who is the youngest of three, was an exotic dancer.
"She always told me she was going to work," he said.
On Friday, he installed a timing belt in a car and watched his daughter's two children play outside the house. He said working on cars and playing with the grandchildren helps take his mind off what's happening with his daughter.
He said she seems to be doing "pretty good," and so is the rest of the family. He said they haven't talked much about the reported incident, but it weighs heavily on his mind. He said he's grateful that N.C. Central has been so supportive, but he doesn't like how his daughter has been portrayed in the media. And he's especially frustrated that no one has been charged in the connection with the allegations.
"If it had been anybody but them, they would have been locked up, but yet they didn't because it's Duke," he said. "I hope them boys - if they did it - I hope they get what they deserve. I hope they don't go lenient on them."
District Attorney Michael Nifong said he's waiting for results of the DNA test and that he does not expect to file charges in the case any earlier than next week.
So because you don't agree with her choice of career she deserves to be gang raped? And just what does not being good looking have to do with the level of abuse? Do you have a backup statistic for that idiotic comment? Yes, she put herself in a risky situation but if these young men are found guilty the blame lies 100% on them no matter how attractive or not attractive she is.
It's still illegal to rape prostitutes. Character comes into play when the facts are not definitive. While a lot of the facts are still shrouded, the battle lines have been strongly drawn.
Her: Three men raped me.
The boys: Nobody here raped you.
Since they are not taking the Kobe "it was consensual" approach, the question is going to be whether she has a DNA match (in the areas where rape and sodomy occur) with any of the boys present. If she does, her story is largely true (perhaps embellished). If she doesn't, her story is largely false.
The question becomes "what if the story is false?". Can the Left deal with the truth or are they so invested in their outrage that they will continue pretending it is true even though it isn't (as in "Bush lied")?
What I resent is the MSM and the Left trying to turn this woman into Rosa Parks to further their own agenda. If they could just keep it as a rape case instead of inflaming the situation, people like this young reporterette wouldn't be troubled by the *political* implications of whether the accuser is truthful or not.
I think the best explanation is that the two women were at the party, heard some racial slurs and decided to stop the show and leave.
The boys complained they didn't get their money's worth. They heard more slurs on the way out but at least one returned inside (whether it was to get her shoes or the rest of the money owed or something else yet undetermined). The first 911 phone call was probably placed at that time and the only thing the women had assaulted at this point were their ears.
After the accuser went back in was when she either was raped *or* she decided the way to get back at these angry white boys making racial taunts at her was to stage a rape scene. Would the girl be clever enough (if you even want to call it that) to fake a rape?
My gut says "no". If she had, why wouldn't she come front and center to the media and repeat her side of the story (perhaps she did to the RN&O and it didn't go well). What good is a false cry of rape if nobody will listen, and for a week or so, it appeared nobody was listening?
It's possible, too, that she was roughed up a bit and, in a Cynthia McKinney-type use of logic, decided it was rape.
I point back to the DNA evidence. The police have to find a match or the whole case goes nowhere.
4/6/2006 10:13 AM By: Associated Press
(DURHAM) - Durham's city manager is scheduled to be briefed Thursday on the Duke lacrosse scandal.
Police are investigating allegations that a stripper was raped at a lacrosse team party.
Meanwhile, the coach has quit and a player's e-mail suggested killing a stripper.
Duke President Richard Brodhead says he has established five groups to study campus culture at Duke, student behavior and the lacrosse program. Brodhead called the latest revelations in the student e-mail by player Ryan McFadyen "sickening." McFadyen is a sophomore and has been suspended.
Thanks for all your linking. It is helpful since the MSM is not giving us the whole story but only what fits their template.
Presumably there was sex involved, willing or not, otherwise there would be nothing for the police to test the players' DNA against.
Thank you T_T!
The only source I've seen saying the accuser IDed the accused is a recent interview her father gave to Rita Crosby. He said she had positively IDed her attackers from a photo line-up.
A DNA match would devestate the defense since they contend no sexual contact occurred with the accuser. Even without a match, the second woman, aka "Kim", could make or break the case, depending on her reliability imo.
Lots of links, updated daily:
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/page.cfm?pagerid=2&news=fdetail&storyid=118591
Search warrant: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0329061duke1.html
My gut says "no". If she had, why wouldn't she come front and center to the media and repeat her side of the story (perhaps she did to the RN&O and it didn't go well). What good is a false cry of rape if nobody will listen, and for a week or so, it appeared nobody was listening?
Nobody was listening? The police and the DA took her claim of rape seriously from the start. If she did falsely claim to police that she was raped in order to get back at the partygoers, I very much doubt she had any inkling there would be a media circus and a national firestorm when she did so. Her idea was probably to sic the cops on them, not the media.
Here's another version of what might have happened that appears to making the rounds on campus, which someone who claims to be a junior at Duke posted at realclearpolitics.com:
I would also like to relay a rumor that I have heard from a number of people who know members of the lacrosse team. I have no way of proving it, but it seems like a plausible possibility. A member of the team solicited sex from the alleged victim for $300. She agreed, but later backed out for some reason.
When the team member demanded his money back, she declined, and then requested $1500 or else she would claim she was raped. This would fit with the fact that she left the party, but was then convinced come back in the house.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/blog/2006/04/more_on_dukes_culture_of_rape.html
To gain a better perspective on the situation at Duke, I contacted a good friend of mine from high school whose brother is on the Duke lacrosse team. My friend chose to remain anonymous to protect her brother. Needless to say, her description of the situation at Duke does not match the media’s portrayal.
According to her brother, the events at the house didn’t transpire exactly as the media has portrayed them. She agrees that the party was a “lacrosse party,” but says that her brother, along with many of his teammates, left the house before the dancer arrived. By his estimates, less than half the team was at the house when the incident occurred. The media has largely ignored these details.
The campus has been quick to blame the team for the bad publicity now upon the university without considering the implications for the members of the team that had nothing to do with the incident.
* * *
Yet without the details, the campus and the public have shunned the entire team through their affiliation with the alleged perpetrators of the incident. All the members of the team, except for the one African American student, were forced to be DNA tested, even students that were out of the state at the time of the incident.
“A few of the seniors were in New York that weekend for job interviews,” she noted, “They were still DNA tested and are being attacked just by affiliation.”
The members of the team have become completely ostracized by the rest of the campus.
“Life is living hell for the guys down there,” my friend added, “People spit on them on the way to class, the campus food courts won’t serve them.”
In the past couple days the situation has escalated even further. Athletic busses have been set on fire. A fire was started in a dorm where many of the players live. Since this week is gang initiation week in Durham, players have received several threats of drive-by shootings.
She also added that it isn’t only the students who are reacting this way. Professors make snide and judgmental comments within their lectures, even when members of the lacrosse team are sitting right in front of them.
“The reaction on campus is very much about clinging to moral absolutes,” my friend said.
http://daily.stanford.edu/tempo?page=content&id=19911&repository=0001_article
Maybe I've got sleep in my eyes; but I didn't read the lawyers comments necessarily as an explicit admission. Show me where you saw the explicit admission that Ryan wrote the email, pls? I read the lawyer's suggestions and opinions; but no where did I get an explicit "admission". So it goes.
Call me a sourpuss; but the "take back the night" types are taking to writing letters to the editors, handing out fliers, already. Blech.
Since the 70s, "rape" has been elevated to a crime worse than MURDER.
It's disgusting. Rape is bad. Murder is final.
And females and psuedo-males are going bananas.. "no one ever believes women"... "we're being thrown back into the gulag of oppression". Sign me, Extremely Disgusted.
Also, I found a blog site that has a couple of pictures of AK47's (I think that's what they are) with Justice next to them. There is also a list of all of the lax names with a few photos of some of them.
Case 1: A prostitute is negotiating with a customer. The prostitute consents to having sex with the customer, provided the customer pays her $300. The customer states that he is only willing to pay $250. The prostitute declines, whereupon the customer forcibly has sex with the prostitute anyway. He leaves $250 on the bed.
Case 2: A woman is jogging near her home. A man hiding in the bushes leaps out and drags her into the woods, where he rapes her.
Should both of these crimes carry the same minimum 16-20 prison sentence? Or should the first case fall somewhere between assault & battery and traditional rape, perhaps carrying a penalty something on the order of 6-8 years in prison?
Before the 70's, rape could be punishable by the death penalty, along with murder. So yes, rape is a big deal. Even before that time, a virgin who was raped was considered to be "soiled" or damaged- unmarriageable because she was no longer a virgin. So the idea that rape wasn't a big deal isn't true.
What has changed is that we recognize today that all women can be raped, not just virtueous white women of high social standing who were attacked by strangers and weren't wearing clothes or making gestures that were "asking for it".
No, these should not carry the same penalties. HOWEVER, I have lived among those in San Francisco who work tirelessly to make prostitution "legal" (and of any age group wishing to engage in the profession). In their worldview, both cases you posited would be treated as the same "rape"; but the one with the prostitute would carry a heavier penalty, as in their worldview, a prostitute is not only raped but as an "official" business, she has been additionally "thefted" from.
In the case of the rapist dragging a "non-professional" -- an innocent woman walking by; they'd argue this is just "rape".
Yes, I've lived in "looney city". They also advocate that prostitutes should receive minimum wage and universal health care.
I've round-about answered yours. :P) Your cases beg other questions before they can be adequately addressed. And yes, I see another leg of the liberal platform quietly arising in background.
I am not for the legalization of prostitution. The legalization of prostitution will, in fact, serve to repeal all rape penalty/punishment laws, long-term.
You've raised the thorny point, of this matter in thise case, nonetheless. As it lays, currently: assault and battery but not rape. By her tacit "consent" to engage in sexual activity (so it appears, at anon) as a BUSINESS transaction, it comes down to assault and battery; but not rape. Rape is "carnal knowledge of a woman without her consent". I believe that is still the legal definition. In this particular case, on just how the he said/she said seems to be happening, she consented. And money appears to have changed hands.
This is very different from being dragged into an alley.
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