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To: Ben Ficklin

How many criminal illegal aliens do you expect to register for citizenship Ben? I don't expect many of them to and that's not going to affect the criminal element much at all.

BTW, there will still be illegal aliens coming across the border. Legalizing a bunch at this time won't resolve any issues. They'll still be getting services for free and we'll still have millions more of them pouring in.

Those that don't pour in illegaly will be pouring in under a guest worker program. Shortly immediate family members will be able to apply and come over legaly. If anything, the rate of entry will increase under these plans, although some will be termed legal and others still won't.

Children will still be flooding into our schools, unable to handle them. Hospitals will still be the haven for those without insurance. Who's going to carry insurance if they can get health care for free?

What we are doing is legalizing in part, recognizing that the flood will continue, and accepting the burden the middle class will have to carry on their backs.

This is going to be one big free-for-all, well for all but the U.S. Citizen that is.


223 posted on 04/09/2006 12:18:12 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (If you don't want to be lumped in with those who commit violence in your name, take steps to end it.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Now we are back to economic impact? Let me repeat.

You exaggerate the negative impact.
You have no comprehension of the fact that economists measure impact with the "thru-time" method.
You ignore/deny the positive impact.

Whatever the impact, that you erroneously calculate, you hold it up as a subjective number. Most people, objectively, would evaluate the economic impact by comparing it to other scenarios.

For a fact, there are immigrants in this country because a low domestic birth rate. For a fact, there are illegal immigrants in this country because Congress constricted the legal immigration quotas.

In order to be objective, we have to compare the economic impact of the illegals to the economic impact of those additional legal immigrants that would have been here instead of illegals had Congress allowed an adequate level of legal immigration. We also would want to compare the economic impact of the illegals to the additional domestic born had there been an adequate birth rate such that neither legals nor illegals had been needed.

In both of these cases, the economic impact is roughly equivalent.

What you don't understand is the fact that there has to be poor people. Its a law of economics. Income distribution follows a bell curve. If there had been an adequate birth rate, economic and other factors would insure that an adequate number of native born would have been poor/the underclass. They would have had a very similar impact to the illegals.

If there had of been an adequate legal immigration rate, these legal immigrants would have had a similar economic impact.

It has been proven time after time in our history, that importing poor people/an underclass is beneficial to both the native born and the new arrivals. For the native born, the new arrivees do the low pay work and the native born do the higher pay work. For the new arrivee, he gets a shot at the dream and those that arrive later will come in under him.

Let me put a bug in your brain. A concept of how, who, and when education is paid for.

The misconception is that you are paying to educate the illegal children. The reality is that everybody receives a free education. Everybody includes you, me, the illegals, the legals, the native born, everybody. After we receive our free education, we earn our way thru life and a part of what we earn, thru taxes, we pay back to the education system for the education that we received. While you may think that you are paying to educate the illegals, you are actually paying for your free education. The fact that you are complaining means that you are a cheapskate.

224 posted on 04/10/2006 6:05:16 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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