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Delphi to close 14 plants
Dayton Daily News ^ | 3/31/06 | Mikey_1962

Posted on 03/31/2006 6:44:15 AM PST by Mikey_1962

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To: wideawake

These days you really do have to train the people who work in automotive plants.


21 posted on 03/31/2006 7:21:54 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Willie Green
Regarding where autoparts are manufactured, Toyota has a series of traditional suppliers who have built factories all up and down I65.

Hyundai just built an autoplant in Birmingham Alabama (on I65).

Etc., etc.

An amazingly large percentage of the foreign automaker/autoparts manufacturing capacity in this country is stretched out along I65 and I70.

I'm trying to think of why we ever thought Detroit and SE Michigan were good places to make cars.

22 posted on 03/31/2006 7:24:51 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
Of course you do.

I believe the cost of training replacement workers + the cost of paying replacement workers' salary + the cost of paying for enhanced security would still be significantly cheaper than paying UAW workers approximately $75 an hour in pay and benefits.

23 posted on 03/31/2006 7:26:33 AM PST by wideawake
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To: WideGlide
The Union label

The union label is a pink slip.

24 posted on 03/31/2006 7:28:25 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: wideawake
They get to that $75 per hour by counting training time as "down time". What you have is an hour of production divided into total company costs (which include executive salaries).

Charles Grassley and a couple of other Congress-critters used to do that with USPS to show that USPS gross productivity was crap, and getting worse. Then, one day, it got better ~ Chuckey Jr. there shut up about it. Dick Strasser, who is retiring this month, didn't.

Guess it depends on who you want to impress, and with what.

25 posted on 03/31/2006 7:30:03 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: wideawake
...than paying UAW workers approximately $75 an hour in pay and benefits.

Whether they actually produce something or not...

Jobs bank programs -- 12,000 paid not to work

26 posted on 03/31/2006 7:32:03 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla
Thanks for the link. That program never ceases to blow me away ever since I heard about it.

My favorites are the people who have been being paid not to work for five or more years.

Any normal American would be embarrassed.

if I was lucky enough to have an employer who laid me off and still paid my salary, I would go back to school and get a degree while I was being paid to do nothing or I would look for another job.

But these slobs are content to laze around collecting paychecks they didn't earn while playing cards and watching TV.

27 posted on 03/31/2006 7:36:28 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Well, if folks continue to want a set-up like that they should move to France.


28 posted on 03/31/2006 7:38:12 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: muawiyah
I'm trying to think of why we ever thought Detroit and SE Michigan were good places to make cars.

Proximity to natural resources, skilled labor and growing market for transportation. At the beginning of the 20th Century, the industrial Midwest was at the center of the need for transporting agricultural goods (be it by wagon or train) from America's heartland to the major cities. The automotive industry naturally evolved from the convergence of those factors and grew upon the established infrastructure. (An infrastructure that Dubya's globalization policies undermine.)

29 posted on 03/31/2006 7:40:31 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!!)
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To: Willie Green; All

So the government must do something to protect the jobs correct??


30 posted on 03/31/2006 7:41:41 AM PST by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: mewzilla
As for Costilla and his colleagues, they are getting ready to go back to work at GM's new Delta Township plant. Costilla acknowledges that many of the union members are not looking forward to going back to work at the factory.

"The majority of us would rather stay here doing what we're doing," he said.

"You're not on the line, chasing a car."

Unions are just disgusting.

31 posted on 03/31/2006 7:42:44 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

What I can't figure out is why haven't more of the rank-and-file grown a brain? Sigh.


32 posted on 03/31/2006 7:44:05 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: muawiyah

I dont know if your trying to be sarcastic, but Just short history...

WV Ohio and Va = Coal
UP MI and Mn = Iron Ore
OH IN IL = Steel
PA = Glass

Detroit = home of Ford Family, and families of Most US auto makers.

Detroit = Autos, auto parts, etc

1960 Detroit = BIG Companies + Big Labor = Control of entire region and Auto industry

1964 German and Japan Atuos make headway in market US auto indutry = blind and stupid (bad combination)

1968 Unions demand and get huge wage increases and lower producion quotas (Auto companies gutless)

1970s Japan makes Huge inroads US car makers produce junk cars from junk designs fall farther behind

1980s US still producing Junk Cars that will not sell, Labor still wants and get double digit increases to produce junk cars

1990s to today. Quality improves, and auto industry moves south to non union states. Overseas companies build plants in US away from overpriced Unions.

Future: Detroit will be ghost town (even more so than now).
Rest of michigan population requires US government to use Detroit as new Nuclear testing site. Figure whats left can not be as bad as what is there....


33 posted on 03/31/2006 7:45:34 AM PST by Bigs from Michigan
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To: Willie Green
Look, the whole shebang was in Central Indiana. Henry Ford wanted to shut down some Indianapolis main streets to build a new factory and the city council told him to take a hike.

So he did.

He selected Detroit, and the rest was history.

Obviously, though, the I65/US31 corridor is better suited to supply the national needs than SE Michigan.

When market forces are allowed to work, they frequently do not arrive at the same solution an erratic, emotionally unstable individual such as Henry Ford or Joe Stalin might decide.

34 posted on 03/31/2006 7:48:49 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: KevinDavis
So the government must do something to protect the jobs domestic industries and national security, correct??

There, that's better.

35 posted on 03/31/2006 9:00:52 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!!)
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To: muawiyah

Basically all the infrastructure to make cars was in Detroit starting from day one with Ford's Highland Park plant.

That's why SE Michigan WAS a good place to build cars.

Not anymore.


36 posted on 03/31/2006 10:05:22 AM PST by Mikey_1962 (I grew up in a slum, when I got to college it had become a "ghetto".)
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To: Mikey_1962

Henry Ford relocated to Detroit. He was elsewhere, as was the infrastructure, before that. Remember, Elwood Haines invented the automobile in Kokomo, Indiana. SE Michigan was still a swamp at the time.


37 posted on 03/31/2006 5:49:57 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
enry Ford relocated to Detroit. He was elsewhere, as was the infrastructure, before that. Remember, Elwood Haines invented the automobile in Kokomo, Indiana. SE Michigan was still a swamp at the time.

Indiana was the auto capital until then. All those old, non union, hand built cars that now command hundreds of thousands ,if not millions from collectors, were made here. The Indy 500 was built as the auto industry "test track".

Old Henry changed all that when he built Detroit. And technically he was right in moving there, from a purely logistics stand point (Great Lakes Shipping).

Still we haven't seen quality autos from the US since.

Well, okay, maybe a few here and there. But the UAW ruined the US auto industry, now they are going to pay the reaper.

38 posted on 03/31/2006 6:03:09 PM PST by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: AFreeBird
All true.

Ever since Ford moved the auto industry to Detroit, it's been downhill all the way.

My point was that foreign companies, taking a look at the markets and logistics have decided that the first market decision, namely to center the auto industry on Central Indiana, was CORRECT, and the move to Detroit was a bit mistake.

39 posted on 03/31/2006 6:09:22 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Doesn't this further prove that the leaders of the UAE government, which owns and controls Delphi, are spoiled children,

Excuse me?

40 posted on 03/31/2006 6:24:26 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Romantics and pessimists are two sides of the same coin. Both will happily lead you over the cliff)
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