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Breaking the Immigration Impasse -- Amnesty with Teeth
March 30, 2006 | HMV

Posted on 03/30/2006 10:33:10 AM PST by Hillary'sMoralVoid

There is a remarkably simple solution to the impasse with immigration reform. It involves a balance of recognition and respect of United States laws, along with the need for a reasonable process for dealing with the illegal immigrants.

First of all, all illegals currently in the country would have to sign a written document stating that they had broken the laws of the United States by entering the country. Those who wish to stay on as guest workers would be placed on probation for a period of three years, during which time they would be granted status as "conditional" guest workers. They would be required to report their location to the INS annually, and any other violations of U. S. or state laws could result in loss of status and deportation.

Those who successfully completed their probationary period would become official guest workers. Those who wish to apply for citizenship would be eligible, however, those applying legally from outside the country (who have not immigrated illegally) would have priority over those who entered the country illegally.

All employers would require illegals working for them to apply for conditional guest worker status (along with the required probation period). There would be fines for both the illegals and the employers who fail to initiate the guest worker application process.

This approach offers a road to amnesty which recognizes that an illegality occurred, a probationary period was served, and that illegal immigrants are not placed ahead of applicants who apply legally.


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To: dljordan
When you make "deals" that void our laws they've won.

Absolutely. And it will encourage another 12 million to do the same darn thing.

21 posted on 03/30/2006 10:44:34 AM PST by b4its2late (There are good terrorists.............. DEAD ONES.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

And wake up to find our houses cost 30% more and our stock market is revalued at 40% of it's current value. These are the children affluent america couldn't be bothered to bear. First step to getting this fixed? Get off the high horse on the issue. We are reaping a big time benefit in the rate of inflation, our stock values, on and on. You'de think we've picked enough people to get into it with. When allowed to take control, the mullet contingent (ex-Perot knee jerks and Reagan revolution trailer parkers) tends to shoot itself and the Republican party squarely in the stones.

Get those immigrants off my lawn! The immigrants are here because we like it that way.

-It's like having sex with a hooker. You'r ashamed and satisfied at the same time (I imagine:)
-It's like a vegetarian preaching about going animal free. Then you point to their leather shoes, belt and bone hair beret. And you laugh.


22 posted on 03/30/2006 10:44:37 AM PST by kinghorse
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

AS I indicated yesterday, the illegals must pay a price for jumping the line

a) they sign up for remediation; if they don't sign up by a given date, and are caughty, they are deported and all of their possessions are confiscated and sold.

b) when it is their turn, they do 1 to 2 years of community service where they learn English and US History. During service time, they live in US Army tents or barracks and are fed US Army food. They can quit the community service at any time, but will be deported and are not eligible to get into line for migration.

c) When they successfully complete their service, they can get a green card, and be eligible for citizenship.


23 posted on 03/30/2006 10:44:46 AM PST by Mack the knife
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To: kinghorse

Beret? barrette err.


24 posted on 03/30/2006 10:45:48 AM PST by kinghorse
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To: Mack the knife

25 posted on 03/30/2006 10:46:00 AM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: kinghorse
And wake up to find our houses cost 30% more and our stock market is revalued at 40% of it's current value.

Propaganda. And even if it isn't, those consequences are far more palatable than the consequences of doing what we're doing now.
26 posted on 03/30/2006 10:48:03 AM PST by JamesP81
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To: ClearCase_guy
"Or we could deport all of them and fine the bejeezus out of their employers."

A man after my own heart. A non-Humpback moment if you will...small disclaimer there ya understand.

27 posted on 03/30/2006 10:51:11 AM PST by el_texicano (Liberals, Socialist, DemocRATS, all touchy, feely, mind numbed robots, useless idiots all)
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To: BurbankKarl

It's not immigration. As the cartoon illustrates it's an insurgency.


28 posted on 03/30/2006 10:51:23 AM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: ClearCase_guy
[ Or we could deport all of them and fine the bejeezus out of their employers. ]

LoL... exactly.. Fine the employers,, and they would sneak BACK across the border all by themselves.. like they already do at christmas time.. ADD.. fining the people renting to them.. then, "its hard out there for the coyote", would be the new RAP song.. if "song" can used freely..

29 posted on 03/30/2006 10:51:53 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
Amnesty is amnesty. When will you propose a general amnesty for all Americans arrested and convicted of ordinary misdemeanors? Why would you propose such an amnesty only for foreign non-citizens whose first act was to break American law?

We have the world's most open immigration system (way too open in my opinion). We have Ports of Entry where anyone with a visa or passport from accepted nations can enter lawfully. We have so many different types of temporary visa programs it takes an attorney to sort it all out for someone - but there's almost always a way in. There is NO NEED for a "guest worker" amnesty, there is no reason to "be nice" to the citizens of Mexico and hand over citizenship in this country just because they say they want it. And there is no reason to do ANYTHING but enforce our existing laws.

And most of all, I will NOT be ruled in the country my family fought and died for by people who had NOTHING to do with the establishment and development of that country, on the contrary, people who have done and are doing EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to tear down the greatest human achievment in history: the United States of America.

30 posted on 03/30/2006 10:51:56 AM PST by Regulator
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To: JamesP81

actually it's not propaganda. wages would shoot through the roof short term. long term or goods would be left on the shelf for lack of customers. Al Greenspan liked illegal aliens. A lot.


31 posted on 03/30/2006 10:53:00 AM PST by kinghorse
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

The very first step is to secure the borders. After that's been done, then we can talk about the rest of it.


32 posted on 03/30/2006 10:53:31 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: b4its2late

It'll be a bum rush for the borders like we've never seen (and today it's as bad as it's EVER been - times 4) if we don't get LOTS of bodies and technology down there RIGHT NOW as we build the fences - as soon as the shamnesty is put upon us.


33 posted on 03/30/2006 10:53:44 AM PST by samcgwire ("I voted for President 'Better Than Kerry'")
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To: kinghorse

I imagine the conversations circa 1855 about eliminating slavery sounded much the same. "I beg to ask you, sir - how will the agricultural economy survive emancipation of the Negro?"


34 posted on 03/30/2006 10:53:51 AM PST by Denver Ditdat (Melting solder since 1975)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

We don't have enough people to keep them from entering the country; who's going to round up all these illegals and toss them out?


35 posted on 03/30/2006 10:53:59 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (No respect for conservatives? That's free speech. No respect for liberals? That's hate speech.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
3. Eliminate the anchor baby clause. (This will require a constitutional amendment.)

Probably, but not necessarily, it depends on the interpretation of All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, . The children of foreign diplomats and foreign military personnel do not acquire citizenship if born in the US. An argument can be made, and legislation crafted, that children of legal temporary workers and certainly illegals are in similar circumstances with regard to jurisdiction. The courts might well be a problem.

36 posted on 03/30/2006 10:55:23 AM PST by SJackson ([Iraq] Reconstruction isn’t news is it? Chris Matthews)
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To: kinghorse

And wake up to find our houses cost 30% more and our stock market is revalued at 40% of it's current value. These are the children affluent america couldn't be bothered to bear. First step to getting this fixed? Get off the high horse on the issue. We are reaping a big time benefit in the rate of inflation, our stock values, on and on. You'de think we've picked enough people to get into it with. When allowed to take control, the mullet contingent (ex-Perot knee jerks and Reagan revolution trailer parkers) tends to shoot itself and the Republican party squarely in the stones.

Get those immigrants off my lawn! The immigrants are here because we like it that way.

-It's like having sex with a hooker. You'r ashamed and satisfied at the same time (I imagine:)
-It's like a vegetarian preaching about going animal free. Then you point to their leather shoes, belt and bone hair beret. And you laugh.




thats just the price we are going to have to pay...if you make a mint selling drugs why should you be amazed that you lose all of your ill gotten gains


37 posted on 03/30/2006 10:55:44 AM PST by jneesy (certified southern right wing hillbilly nutjob)
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To: Denver Ditdat

Importing people as slaves was a mistake.

Importing people as the menial laborer was a mistake.

Not much to differentiate the two. Neither had legal standing. We are to blame. Us. Not them. Us. Just like slavery. and you thought no one would ever point to your generation as you have to the gentried one and ask, what were they thinking??


38 posted on 03/30/2006 10:56:15 AM PST by kinghorse
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To: stevio; MikeA; ClearCase_guy
I like the proposal. But I would add the fence to keep out more illegals.
There has to be a dose of realism in dealing with immigration. I prefer the hard approach. Illegals should be rounded up and deported, border fenced and patrol quadrupled. However, rounding up and deporting 11 million people would be an impossibility. I am still concerned that criminal penalties against employers will work. Current laws are not enforced and they must be enforced or any immigration solution is not going to happen.
39 posted on 03/30/2006 10:59:19 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
First of all, all illegals currently in the country would have to sign a written document stating that they had broken the laws of the United States by entering the country ...(and then they can stay under conditions?)

Would these illegals receive preferential treatment and be favored over those aliens obeying our immigration laws and waiting for entrance legally....some over ten years at this point?....

I don't think you suggestion is either rational or fair for that reason alone.

40 posted on 03/30/2006 10:59:28 AM PST by pop-gun (A dumbed down population is more dangerous to our country than terrorism.)
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