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1 posted on 03/29/2006 8:02:54 PM PST by MaineVoter2002
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To: MaineVoter2002

Dick Morris has rarely been correct on any issue...having said that, perhaps I will give him a pass this time.
I am so agitated I could "self explode"!!


2 posted on 03/29/2006 8:06:24 PM PST by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: MaineVoter2002
Simply put, the fence must have a gate that swings open for immigrants we want and need. To avoid permanently antagonizing our southern neighbors and to keep the labor supply on which so much of American business and prosperity depend, we need a guest-worker program.

[. . .]

With a 4.7 percent unemployment rate, we will be slitting our own throats by denying our economy access to Mexican workers.

There you have it.

Democrats want a cause that'll bring in voters disposed to cast ballots their way.

Fat cat Republicans want cheap labor and don't care how badly they insult the "jobs Americans won't do" base.

Republicans will survive only because there is not a viable alternative.

4 posted on 03/29/2006 8:21:17 PM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: MaineVoter2002

"And it is also important for the Republicans to avoid symbolic acts like making it a felony to be here illegally or to employ someone who is. The same practical deterrence is quite possible through the fence, and merely upgrading the jail time from a misdemeanor to a felony won't make much practical difference."

This I agree with. We need to seal up the borders and mean serious business on that, but felonies for illegal immigrants is going overboard in my opinion. There should be very stiff fines/penalties for businesses that are actually enforced. People caught working illegally should be sent back post haste (no need to waste our money on keeping them in our prisons) and their employers should be given a heavy fines.


6 posted on 03/29/2006 8:26:14 PM PST by Avenger
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To: MaineVoter2002

I heard that in the long long ago, in the way way past, that there were elected representatives in Washington who actually did things because they were the right thing to for the people they represented. I wonder, could such stories of fantasy could actually be true. Nah....


8 posted on 03/29/2006 8:27:43 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Let's quit electing little rich kids that don't now the value of a dollar!)
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To: MaineVoter2002

I agree with Dick Morris on this. He notes that the Latino vote went to Gore by 65 - 35 in 2000, but only went to Kerry 54 - 46. That is a huge "swing" and the Republicans would be ill-advised to ignore it. Jump up and down and holler about illegal aliens all you want, but electoral politics is the bottom line.

Morris has some good ideas here - - control the border (with a BIG fence), ID all workers who come in from Mexico, and deport those who refuse to comply. Sounds okay to me.


9 posted on 03/29/2006 8:28:40 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: MaineVoter2002


...why isn't anyone asking Vicente Fox why Mexicans are fleeing that nation??????????


11 posted on 03/29/2006 8:30:33 PM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: MaineVoter2002

The vast majority of "guest workers" will never, ever go home. Why does anyone pretend differently? We are supposed to sign on to utter, pernicious nonsense by pretending to believe this. It's crazy.


17 posted on 03/29/2006 8:41:26 PM PST by Irene Adler
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If the Republican Party now turns its back on these newly swing Latino voters, it may permanently lose its ability to win America's fastest-growing voter group, perhaps dooming the party altogether . . . to prevent disaster among Latino voters, it must accompany the fence with a more liberal policy on guest workers and criminalization.

Is this clown serious?

we will be slitting our own throats by denying our economy access to Mexican workers. We just need to make them legal, not illegal.

This reads like PR. Let me guess. He's working for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce -- or he's working with an old Clinton White House buddy?

In 2003 Thomas "Mack" McLarty became a Senior Advisor to Carlyle and Advisor on Mexico Investment Activities.

(Before that I believe he did PR for Mexico through his connections with Kissinger's company.)

Or maybe a Morris Republican buddy? Mr Rudy Giuliani's security consulting company was hired by Mexican business leaders to come up with a plan to clean up Mexico City, which has the second-highest crime rate in Latin America. . . .

Or is just the old globalists chant, "cheap labor trumps sovereignty any day of the week!"

Regardless..

Is Morris another one of those who believes that Americans of Hispanic origin are addicted to law breaking? You cannot get their vote if you don't support breaking laws?

Why did about 30 percent of Americans of Hispanic origin vote for California's Prop 187 and almost 50 percent of Americans of Hispanic origin vote for Arizona's Prop 200?

21 posted on 03/29/2006 8:54:06 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Globalism: a Marxist revolution from the top down? The Third Way loves it.)
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To: MaineVoter2002

I think they should start by bringing in a "guest worker" to write Dick Morris' column. It would be a lot cheaper, and probably equally inane.


22 posted on 03/29/2006 8:55:43 PM PST by lfod1776
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To: MaineVoter2002

Amnesty in 2006 = Hillary as President in 2008

Dick Morris may know that better than most. Who knows.. he just might be working for the Clintons again.


23 posted on 03/29/2006 8:56:41 PM PST by nj26
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To: Miss Marple; MaineVoter2002

Just FYI --- I'm fixing to read this now.


34 posted on 03/29/2006 9:13:42 PM PST by onyx (Elections are in November, 06 ---- 08 can wait!)
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To: MaineVoter2002

The height of hubris is believing that new immigrants will vote GOP. If the president thinks he can buy future votes for the GOP, he's sadly mistaken. One only needs to look at those counties bordering Mexico in the last election- solid blue. If he is successful with his quasi-amnesty (guest worker) program the GOP will stay in control, but this country won't be worth living in. If he's not successful and reason wins the day, the libs will probably come to power due to all of the votes they've already bought and this country won't be worth living in 20 years earlier. Bottom line- Time to get out of Dodge.


39 posted on 03/29/2006 9:28:30 PM PST by Rockitz (Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: MaineVoter2002

Mark Belling said something rather profound when he subbed for Rush today:

Make it easier to immigrate legally.
Make it harder to immigrate illegally.


41 posted on 03/29/2006 9:30:09 PM PST by conservative_crusader (The voice of truth, tells me a different story. The voice of truth says do not be afraid.)
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To: MaineVoter2002

unless the GOP secures our border and ends the invasion, the GOP does not *deserve* to survive


44 posted on 03/29/2006 9:32:02 PM PST by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal. this would not be a problem if so many were not under-precise)
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To: MaineVoter2002
My prediction.

Fernando Ortiz was a ‘landscape engineer’ on Long Island who had demanded to be able to vote, on the basis that he had been paying state and federal taxes for ten years. Actually, he had been stopped from casting a ballot by a poll watcher who had suspected his citizenship status, and (illegally, as it turned out) demanded proof of his identity and legal qualification to vote. Ortiz had won a multi-million dollar settlement against the Republican Party of New York in the subsequent “racial profiling and ethnic intimidation” civil suit, but he did not stop there.

Instead, with massive support from the ACLU and various Hispanic “immigrants rights” foundations, he had pressed his demand to be allowed to vote all the way to the Supreme Court…and he won. The Supreme Court, in its famous 5-4 decision, ruled that negligence in securing America’s borders against illegal immigration on the part of the federal government, could not be held against “undocumented workers who played by the rules and paid their taxes,” once they were established in America—legally or not. The federal government had not taken reasonable efforts to secure the border, and had not pursued "undocumented workers" in the USA. Instead, it openly permitted them most of the benefits of citizenship, and it collected their taxes. "No taxation without representation!" was the cry heard all the way to the Supreme Court. The State of New York had then sleep-walked through an aimless and desultory case for denying the vote—and citizenship—to “undocumented workers.”

Following Ortiz v. New York, a stunned America woke up to discover that there were not only an amazing twenty-two million illegal aliens hiding in plain sight across the land, but that eight million of them immediately qualified to vote. In a nation split 50-50 down party and ideological lines, these eight million new voters were recognized to be the certain majority-makers in future elections, and both parties set record lows for cravenness in pandering to their “needs.” Chief among their “needs” were liberal new family reunification laws, and these instant citizens—illegal aliens only a year before—began bringing the remainders of their families to the USA. Legally.

Overnight, wavering Democrat states became locks, and swing states with large Hispanic populations went solidly “blue.” The result was the recent election which had brought Gobernador Deleon to power in Nuevo Mexico, and had also brought radical Democrats to power in the White House and both houses of congress.

Thus had come the political tsunami which swept all before it, a tidal wave triggered by an undocumented lawn maintenance worker named Fernando Ortiz.

53 posted on 03/29/2006 9:58:18 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: MaineVoter2002
Typical...Repub flaks to the rescue...

I don't care about 'surviving' or 'deflecting'...

I only care about whats right for this country...

Neither the Republican or Democrats care about America...

Anyone who can't see that is party fool...

Count the ways are founding fathers are being betrayed...so far the number is 11 million and climbing...


78 posted on 03/29/2006 10:58:19 PM PST by antaresequity (PUSH 1 FOR ENGLISH - PUSH 2 TO BE DEPORTED)
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To: MaineVoter2002

Mark Belling on Rush's show made a good start. He says it's completely unworkable to:

a) throw out 11 million illegals.
b) legitimize the illegals without inviting more in.

He also says you can't have a plan that works without a strong physical deterence on the borders - maybe a fence, maybe beefed-up patrols but some real deterence from crossing illegally. Add to that, a huge imbalance between the ease with which people enter illegally and the time, cost and beaurocracy of trying to legally enter. An easier, more streamlined approach to legal immigration must be part of the formula.

Here's how the GOP can win on this issue:

1) Make this about Homeland Security. Illegals aren't the only ones crossing the borders. Terrorists do too.

2) Begin now to build a physical fence all across the border between the U.S. and *Canada*. Hopefully, this can be done by executive order without the need for congressional approval.

3) Pass laws designed to make legal immigration more accessable so more people will be motivated to choose legal rather than illegal means to enter the country.

4) ONLY after the first three steps have been taken, begin building the physical fence along the border between U.S. and Mexico. When the typical whiny liberal media accuses the Republicans of racism, remind them that the Republicans first built the fence with Canada, not Mexico. Secondly, a policy will be put in place that will allow illegals a certain amount of time to go through the legal process or be deported.

No, it's not the solution everybody wants nor is it one everyone will agree with but it is a plan that can, over time, reduce the flow of illegals coming into the country, allow those already here the option to come forward or risk deportation, and allows the U.S. to process more people into the country so that more of the ones who get in will be people we want to let in, not coyotes or drug smugglers or known criminals.

And most of it can be done under the guise of homeland security rather than as a way to punish illegals or divide families. Explain that nobody wants more 9-11s and the only way to accomplish that is to know who every Juan, Dick and Harry living in the U.S. is and screening everyone who enters or leaves the country. Those who refuse to cooperate, we would have no choice but to send back.

I think this approach reduces, as much as possible, any Hispanic backlash as many of them will understand this if it is presented as a security necessity rather than an attempt to target a certain group of people.


79 posted on 03/29/2006 11:20:16 PM PST by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: MaineVoter2002

The toe sucking pervert wants the Republican Party to be the same as the Democrat Party.


88 posted on 03/31/2006 2:30:24 AM PST by SUSSA
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To: MaineVoter2002
Dick is Delusional.

Immigration is not the Ross Perot of '08.

United We Stand.

The Democratic Crime Syndicate is going down.

The Rhinocrats are next.

Stay focused

92 posted on 03/31/2006 2:57:12 AM PST by PGalt
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