Posted on 03/29/2006 8:02:53 PM PST by MaineVoter2002
How The GOP Can Survive The Immigration Debate
Dick Morris Wednesday, March 29, 2006
The immigration bill pending in Congress poses as crucial a test for GOP efforts to reach out to Hispanic voters as the 1964 Civil Rights Act did in determining the future partisan preferences of America's African-Americans...
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/3/29/143533.shtml
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Mark Belling said something rather profound when he subbed for Rush today:
Make it easier to immigrate legally.
Make it harder to immigrate illegally.
Jump up and down and holler about illegal aliens all you want, but electoral politics is the bottom line.
Im looking at the Border / Illegal Alien issue more from the national security aspect.
unless the GOP secures our border and ends the invasion, the GOP does not *deserve* to survive
Agreed 100%
There is a viable alternative. The question is will this be the election cycle in which conservatives have finally had enough and find the courage to vote for it.
I'm looking at it from a "survival of the republic" aspect and it doesn't look good. This is exactly why history has shown that democracies fail. The poor vote to take wealth away from the rich, the rich move elsewhere, the country falls into ruin because there's no one left to pay the bills, end of story.
Bad logic.
It's like asking, "Why do we punish bank robbers, when we should be punishing the banks for being 'robbable'!"
If a factory decides to hire illegals, instead of paying Americans, because the illegals will work for a fraction of the wage an American would cost, then you'd give the factory owner a pass?
And please, none of that stuff about how "greedy American workers" refuse to "compete" with the "hard-working" illegals.
When you have 30 or 40 illegals living in ONE house, well, sure, if Americans were willing to "live" like that, then we could "compete" with the illegals.
Lincoln must be spinning in his grave. All that work, all that misery, all those Americans killed in the Civil War, and here we are, right back at the "Plantation Economy" -- only this time, it's not "just" The South that's got those very "low-cost workers."
A few months ago, the local Chinese restaurant closed down with no warning.
Turned out that the feds came in and busted 'em. The owner had imported his own little "mini-plantation", and billeted his "slaves" in a house -- all 40 of 'em.
Of course, this was a unique case -- they were Chinese illegals. NONE of the several MEXICAN establishments are ever given the ol' Hairy Eyeball treatment. The word seems to have gone out that Mexican illegals are NOT to be bothered.
Meanwhile, the local rag's Police Blotter section is regularly filled with incident reports filled with "hispanic-sounding" names.
This is an agricultural area. Some of the farmers live a fairly low-profile, unassuming lifestyle (at casual glance), but are quite wealthy, and very influential.
I'm talking about operations involving many millions of dollars worth of business. And no politician who does NOT go to bat for his "influential" constituents will find himself a politician for long.
Check this out: U.S. Ends Undocumented Immigrant Stings
So yeah, the government is to blame -- but so are the "interests" who pay the lobbyists and own the politicians who call the shots.
The only ones who don't have a voice in the situation are us couple hundred million Americans trapped "in the middle", between illegals who come here, the employers who "run the plantations", and the government that fills both back pockets from the proceeds.
Both back pockts? Yup. On the one hand, they are on life-support via the money from the employers; on the other hand, golly gee, them thar illegals, guess what? They sign up to vote! Thank "motor-voter" for that abomination.
The key? It's the illegals. They empower the crooked employers, who put Americans out of work, and, pay off the crooked politicians; and, they empower the crooked government directly, by casting their illegal votes, thus becoming a "constituency", for whom the crooked politicians go a-whoring after.
So, you can reform the crooked employers (gee, ain't it something, how, once you lower the wages to something that can only be afforded by living 30 or 40 to a house (itself illegal), there are suddenly all sorts of "jobs Americans won't do"?)
Or, you can, as you suggest, "punish the government."
Or, you can stop the invasion of illegal aliens, who empower the entire corrupt system from top to bottom.
The only problem is, so long as there's a supply of illegal workers, and a corrupt government to protect them, you have NO way of "reforming the employers."
And, as long as you have a supply of corrupt employers, paying off the corrupt politicians -- and a ready supply of illegal alien "constituents" voting for the corrupt politicans, you have NO way of "punishing the government."
And, as long as you have corrupt policians protecting the scam, and crooked employers driving the engine, you have NO way of stopping the invasion of illegal aliens.
How's that verse from Proverbs go? Something about "a threefold cord is not easily broken"? Well, here's your Sunday School lesson, real life, a classic object lesson in the reality of that observaton.
We're screwed. Get used to it. Welcome to the Third World.
Oh, ok. I read your post and took it as the survival of the GOP. Well, we know the GOP already controls all 3 branches of government. We know illegals are pouring into this country. So what should we do? Focus now on those here already? OR Build a wall and stop more from coming. Well, if the GOP is in a sinking ship and they focus on spooning out the water before plugging the hole....then they should lose in 2006, 2008 and until they decide that national security is more important than the illegal vote that shouldn't be voting in the first place.
Was the bank robber born in the US?
We're being told what their focus groups and Market Research pros have determined we need to be told in order to pacify us, and keep us from getting too restless.
We're basically being treated like cattle. If it looks like there's some chance of us getting too restless, they drop some hay in the middle of the pasture, and next thing you know, the last thing on our mind is "the fence."
That's about what it boils down to. Folks like B.F. Skinner laid down the basic principles 40 or 50 years ago. A "how-to" manual on controlling "the masses." He wasn't that innovative, of course. A certain Austrian painter worked out most of the underlying techniques while cooling his heels in prison. He wrote it all down in a book he titled, "My Struggle". Perhaps you've heard of it? (In the original language, it was called, "Mein Kampf.")
Folks like Skinner built upon that foundation, and in so doing lent a veneer of respectability to the techniques. The result was a bonanza for the advertising industry, and those who depended on it -- and, for government (not to mention politicians, too!)
The bottom line is that the way things work is that "those who count" make the decisions, and the rest of us will be "motivated" to stay in line, go with the flow, and buy into the lies.
It's not a very pretty picture, is it. But then, the truth rarely is.
Fernando Ortiz was a ‘landscape engineer’ on Long Island who had demanded to be able to vote, on the basis that he had been paying state and federal taxes for ten years. Actually, he had been stopped from casting a ballot by a poll watcher who had suspected his citizenship status, and (illegally, as it turned out) demanded proof of his identity and legal qualification to vote. Ortiz had won a multi-million dollar settlement against the Republican Party of New York in the subsequent “racial profiling and ethnic intimidation” civil suit, but he did not stop there.
Instead, with massive support from the ACLU and various Hispanic “immigrants rights” foundations, he had pressed his demand to be allowed to vote all the way to the Supreme Court…and he won. The Supreme Court, in its famous 5-4 decision, ruled that negligence in securing America’s borders against illegal immigration on the part of the federal government, could not be held against “undocumented workers who played by the rules and paid their taxes,” once they were established in America—legally or not. The federal government had not taken reasonable efforts to secure the border, and had not pursued "undocumented workers" in the USA. Instead, it openly permitted them most of the benefits of citizenship, and it collected their taxes. "No taxation without representation!" was the cry heard all the way to the Supreme Court. The State of New York had then sleep-walked through an aimless and desultory case for denying the vote—and citizenship—to “undocumented workers.”
Following Ortiz v. New York, a stunned America woke up to discover that there were not only an amazing twenty-two million illegal aliens hiding in plain sight across the land, but that eight million of them immediately qualified to vote. In a nation split 50-50 down party and ideological lines, these eight million new voters were recognized to be the certain majority-makers in future elections, and both parties set record lows for cravenness in pandering to their “needs.” Chief among their “needs” were liberal new family reunification laws, and these instant citizens—illegal aliens only a year before—began bringing the remainders of their families to the USA. Legally.
Overnight, wavering Democrat states became locks, and swing states with large Hispanic populations went solidly “blue.” The result was the recent election which had brought Gobernador Deleon to power in Nuevo Mexico, and had also brought radical Democrats to power in the White House and both houses of congress.
Thus had come the political tsunami which swept all before it, a tidal wave triggered by an undocumented lawn maintenance worker named Fernando Ortiz.
See Congressman Steve King's article in Human Events online.
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=13599
This strategy may stave off doom for 20 years.
If we continue to focus on whether or not this is amnesty and avoid arguing for a wall to keep future illegals out and re-define future illegals as felons and deport them immediately... we will be discussing this issue every 8 years...the only difference...instead of 12 million illegals...it will be 30 million. We must plug the holes first
Good question. They have the highest GDP per capita in all of Latin America, and they still head north.
Democrats Use Every Issue to Divide and Conquer! They used 911, Welstone's death, Hurricanes, race and class. Why is immigration any different?
Fact: The GOP is in control NOT the dems. The GOP has control of all 3 branches. If the GOP does not fix our border problems, then they and NOT the democrats will be held resposible for their failure.
If the Republican Party now turns its back on these newly swing Latino voters, it may permanently lose its ability to win America's fastest-growing voter group, perhaps dooming the party altogether . . . to prevent disaster among Latino voters, it must accompany the fence with a more liberal policy on guest workers and criminalization.Is this clown serious?
we will be slitting our own throats by denying our economy access to Mexican workers. We just need to make them legal, not illegal.
This reads like PR. Let me guess. He's working for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce -- or he's working with an old Clinton White House buddy?
You're talking about Dick Morris?
He worked for Vicente Fox. Maybe he still does.
From the crap he's spewing, he might as well still be on Fox's payroll, because if he's not getting paid for that, he's the cheapest date in the hemisphere.
"America's fastest-growing voter group" -- gee, what a creative euphemism for "illegal aliens who cast illegal votes thanks to the 'motor-voter' abomination."
We just need to make them legal, not illegal.
Oh, right, that's the ticket!
Next, we can use that same principle to deal with the rest of society's ills. We can eliminate the rate of crimes like "murder" and "rape" and "burglary" and "car theft" overnight! "We just need to make them legal, not illegal."
The mind boggles...
Dick, that mouth of yours comes up with some real humdingers when you let it run. I think I liked it better when you kept it stuffed with whore-toes, instead of flapping into the airwaves.
He's playing the "sport-politics" game. The only thing that matters is WINNING. If "Team Republican" goes pimpin' for votes the same way "Team Democrat" does, then it can win, using the same voters that would have gone to "Team Democrat".
What's that you say? By doing that, we become identical to "Team Democrat"? Hey, don't bug me with that crap. What matters is WINNING -- and loyalty to the TEAM!
Isn't that what it's all about, anyway? I mean, when you WIN an election, don't you have to take some kind of oath, where you swear allegance to The Party for Which you Stand?
Dick understands "team" politics, having switched from "Team Democrat" to "Team Republican" to "Team Mexico". A player has to go where the game is.
What we need are statesmen. Unfortunately, "Major Leage Politics" has written them out of the game.
"The vast majority of "guest workers" will never, ever go home. Why does anyone pretend differently? We are supposed to sign on to utter, pernicious nonsense by pretending to believe this. It's crazy."
Bingo, read the bill presently being debated in the senate, you will have nightmares as to what some RINOS have in store for America.
If the Radical Democrats take over, Bush may be forced by the Democrats to quit the WOT/Iraq to save face and avoid impeachment.
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