Boehner hints a back down on 'amnesty'

The Washington Times ^ | March 29, 2006 | Charles hurt

[Indy Pendance]

Get with the program, it's Spanglish. Hadios!

[Coop]

Southhack posted a lot of good factual information on this thread

Yeah, I tried using my newfound mod powers to ban him for doing that crap on our hysteria thread, but I'm still working out the kinks. :-)

[potlatch]

That is true about Mexico. However, you should know that it is also how their citizens are treated.

They probably think they're in Heaven when they come here! I'm always amazed that Mexico can't seem to do more to build their economy and help their poor. Maybe the rich just don't care!

[Indy Pendance]

DOES THAT MEAN I HAVE TO POST IN ALL CAPS FROM NOW ON?

[Miss Marple]

Very much a have and have-not country. That is why the left is gaining so much momentum in the election. Fox tried to institute some reforms, but the assembly blocked him.

When the elections are held in July it is possible that the opposition party will win. (Fox isn't running as Mexican presidents are limited to one 6-year term.)

I don't pretend to have the answers to what's wrong with Mexico. Knowing about their problems, however, does help to understand why so many try to get into the USA.

[Southack]

"I'm always amazed that Mexico can't seem to do more to build their economy and help their poor. Maybe the rich just don't care!"

Mexico has distinct classes of citizens based upon levels of wealth or poverty. These classes do not associate with each other.

For example, Boston College is an expensive university for the wealthy elite. Mexico City elite send some extraordinarily wealthy children to school up there.

I have a buddy who speaks Spanish fluently. He went to school at BC. He had a class with some of those wealthy Mexican kids who were *amazed* that he wasn't from Mexico (due to his fluency in Spanish).

One of them asked him how/where he learned Spanish, but when he told them that he learned to speak Spanish fluently by building toilets (via a Christian ministry project) in poor areas of Mexico, they immediately cut off all conversation with him. He no longer existed to them.

He wasn't rich. He hung out with the very poor. They wanted no part of him.

It's that black and white in Mexico. Hyper rich in one class, and everyone else in another.

This causes and perpetuates poverty...as the wealthy hoard their money (or spend it overseas) rather than circulate it inside Mexico itself. In fact, it's a point of social esteem in Mexico to "get the best deal." So even if a rich Mexican deigns to go to a street market, she's going to jawbone-down the price of whatever she buys...or else she'll leave the market with nothing.

This is in stark contrast to the U.S. mindset of paying retail when we routinely go to a shopping mall. In the U.S., we don't see economic classes of people. We know that a poor kid bussing tables today could very well be the next IPO millionaire after a degree and some hard business work.

Not so in Latin America. In the U.S., most millionaires are self-made (i.e. new money) first generation rich.

In Latin America, most millionaires are legacy heirs, so it's more of a country-club/plantation mindset down there.

[Indy Pendance]

"Mexico has distinct classes of citizens based upon levels of wealth or poverty."

I've worked in Mexico, extensively. What you say is true, and the educated people want to live in their country, and are trying hard to reform Mexico. They have no desire to leave, and are appalled by the 'wetbacks'. There is another country of Mexico, it's kind of like our New York or San Franscisco, it runs the length of the border and about 50-100 miles wide.

[potlatch]

it's more of a country-club/plantation mindset down there.

So it pretty much explains why the demonstrators in California call us racist for not wanting the illegals here - they were the 'outcasts' in their own country!

[potlatch]

Yes, it does give us more understanding of it and creates even more of a dilemma in our minds about illegals!

[Miss Marple]

I can't help thinking that we are attacking this issue all wrong. For example, do those women who come across the border to have babies do it in order to have anchor babies, or are they looking for delivery in a hospital because they have no money up front to pay a Mexican hospital?

I think we would best be served by asking "why?"

Why do people try so hard to get here? Why are wages so low in Mexico? Why are there no jobs there? Why in a country as large and fertile as Mexico are there so few good-paying jobs?

Why, why, why. Until we understand, we are not going to be able to attack this problem intelligently.

McCain on now on O'Reilly, and his voice is really hoarse.

[Luke21]

Well said. I get sick of the Bots that divide up and spam various threads with their vain idiocies. You named a couple of them. They must be feeling a bit more surrounded than usual, because the insults from them fly twice as fast. It's getting where one of them now patrols a single thread for the White House and Rino's.

I may actually have a couple of decent Republicans to vote for this fall, and I will do that, but the minute they become an insider McCain type, I'm done.

The Republicans were stupid enough to nominate Bob Dole and their stupidity knows no bounds. Whoever said we get to choose between the communists and the socialists really hit on something.

[Rokke]

Interesting Southack, that the blame Bush for everything crowd doesn't seem to want to engage you in a discussion. Thanks for adding actual information to this mostly pure-emotion-supported-by-almost-no-substance thread.

[evad]

No steak knives but good try.

Prolly not a fair test since movies aren't your forte but the answer was Rush Hour.

Thanks again for the thread...The Looter Dude Santa took the top prize..IMHO.

[La Enchiladita]

Nice logo, SA!

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"I live in a small farm town in Nelson County, Virginia, and will retire from the Virginia Army National Guard in April 2006, after 22 years. I have spent almost one half of my adult life preparing myself and my soldiers for a time, such as now, that our country might successfully face our enemies, foreign and domestic.

Looking at your webpage this morning and seeing the pictures of the high school students raising a Mexican national flag over an upside down American flag saddened me terribly, insofar as there are American soldiers, Marines, sailors, and airmen currently putting their lives in danger in order to provide these "citizens" the comfort of knowing that their protests will not result in being lined up against a wall and executed for their behavior, as they might in other countries around the world.

What would be interesting to know is if these young men and women are enjoying their educations on the back of the American taxpayer at a public school, while denigrating the country that provides these benefits to them, and so blatantly desecrating the flag that serves as a beacon to draw them to America in the first place."

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004869.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1605381/posts?page=1853#1853

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1605381/posts?page=1876#1876

[rolling_stone]

Why? Simple, first economics, they can earn more in an hour in the USA than in Mexico, second free hospital care, third free education for their kids, fourth, Mexico is a crime ridden corrupt crap hole to live in. Life is precarious with murders and kidnapping being committed at a horrendous rate...

And where else besides Mexico is it like that? over 50% of the world, and coming soon to a location near you....Mexicans just happen to be geographically closer to us than other aspiring illegals...when they are caught its a shorter trip back and less expensive than say from China..

[Smartass]

    Enchi...

[JCEccles]

In short, this is Mexico's problem. Let Mexico fix it. Throw the illegals back across the border so they can get to the necessary and hard work of fixing that hellhole.

[La Enchiladita]

Spanish-speaking smiley! Who'd a thunk! LMBO!