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Religious Conservatives Slam 'Gay Agenda,' ACLU
CNSNews.com ^ | March 28 2006 | Randy Hall

Posted on 03/28/2006 9:15:39 AM PST by Reagan Man

(CNSNews.com) - Religious conservatives meeting in Washington, D.C., lashed out at homosexual advocacy groups and organizations catering to the political Left on Monday.

One participant criticized the "gay agenda," which he said calls for not only acceptance, but also "affirmation and celebration of this behavior as normal and even desirable."

The two-day conference, entitled "The War on Christians and the Values Voters in 2006," is sponsored by Vision America, an organization that describes its mission as "restoring Judeo-Christian values in America." Conference participants produced a "Values Voters' Contract with Congress," which includes key elements of the conservative, religious agenda.

Based on the Republican Party's 1994 "Contract with America," the "Values Voters' Contract" lists 10 aims, ranging from legislation to keep the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance to laws guaranteeing greater religious freedoms in the workplace, prohibiting human cloning and embryo research, and guaranteeing a "right to life" to all children before birth.

Defending the family is a key goal of the so-called "values voters." The traditional or natural family is one of the targets of the political Left, said Peter LaBarbera, executive director of the Illinois Family Institute. He said he was proud to share the stage with "heroes in the fight for normalcy."

Peter Sprigg, the Family Research Council's vice president for policy, noted that the family "is not merely a social construct subject to infinite redefinition.

"We believe what makes a family is one man and one woman uniting in marriage for a lifetime and bearing children from that union," Sprigg stated. "We are against anything that threatens the traditional family or undermines that idea," including pre-marital sex, pornography, adultery and prostitution.

"And yes, we are also against the practice of homosexuality," he added.

Sprigg said Christians do not hate homosexuals. "On the contrary, we desire the best for them. However, we believe engaging in behavior that is unnatural, immoral and dangerous to the public health and their own health is not the best thing for people with same-sex attractions."

He noted that the FRC and similar organizations also oppose the "gay agenda," which "demands full acceptance of the practice of homosexuality -- morally, socially, legally, religiously, politically and financially.

"Indeed, it calls for not only acceptance, but affirmation and celebration of this behavior as normal and even desirable," Sprigg said.

The Rev. Lou Sheldon, chairman and founder of Traditional Values Coalition, stated that the "gay agenda" would come to a quick end if Americans rose up in numbers against it.

However, "Christians are nice guys, and nice guys finish last," he added.

LaBarbera agreed with Sheldon's analysis. "By simply saying we oppose the sin and not the sinner, we leave the playing field to homosexual activists and their euphemistic talking points, which are 'discrimination,' 'equality' and that poor euphemism, 'sexual orientation,'" he said.

Regina Griggs, executive director of Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays and Gays, said that while everyone is a sinner, homosexual behavior can have especially dangerous results. For example, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention stated that in 2002, 49 percent of AIDS cases resulted from sexual relations between two males 13 to 24 years of age.

While most speakers said they prefer using the word "homosexual" instead of "gay," Sheldon said he usually sticks with the term's original meaning: "sodomite."

A number of organizations were criticized for supporting the "gay agenda," though one group in particular -- the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) -- was the subject of another panel decrying its "radical secularization" efforts.

Mike Johnson, senior legal counsel of the Alliance Defense Fund, noted that the ACLU has always had a subversive agenda and is the "number one religious censor in America" due to its skillful use of fear, intimidation and misinformation.

One method the ACLU uses to "chip away at the moral and religious foundation of America" is to silence the gospel by removing any references to God in the public square, he said.

However, Mat Staver, founder, president and general counsel of the Liberty Counsel, noted that since Samuel Alito replaced Sandra Day O'Connor on the U.S. Supreme Court, he's noticed a growing reluctance on the ACLU's part to attempt appeals to the highest court in the land.

"Maybe they realize the Supreme Court isn't their social engineering friend anymore," Staver said.

William Donohue, president of the Catholic League, said he has been battling the ACLU for decades, and is encouraged by the "great work" being done by such groups as the Alliance Defense Fund and Liberty Counsel.

Donohue said he has discovered why the ACLU files so many lawsuits to try and force communities to take down nativity scenes. "It's because there aren't three wise men and a virgin in the entire ACLU."

The Human Rights Campaign (HRC), which describes itself as the nation's "largest gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender advocacy organization," says its goal is to ensure that "all GLBT people are ensured of their basic equal rights, and can be open, honest and safe at home, at work and in the community.

"By inspiring and engaging all Americans, HRC strives to end discrimination against GLBT citizens and realize a nation that achieves fundamental fairness and equality for all," the group's website states.

The ACLU's Lesbian & Gay Rights Project brings "impact lawsuits" in state and federal courts throughout the country, according to the group's website.

"Our legal strategies are built on the idea that fighting for civil rights means not just persuading judges but ultimately changing the way people think," the group states.


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To: gondramB

""We also don't want the kids to look like that banjo player in "Deliverance"."\

Absolutely. Best to all - off to work."

Or to have VD, STDs, or AIDS or no control of your bowell movements due to homosexual sex.


81 posted on 03/28/2006 10:41:55 AM PST by sasafras ("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom.)
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To: AZ_Cowboy

I'm sure many Democrats share the views of these groups listed - that agenda is limited to the MoveOn.org fringe...


82 posted on 03/28/2006 10:42:50 AM PST by Heartofsong83
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To: Potowmack

"The hidden little secret that you dont get (you probably dont have kids or were absent in their rearing) is that all this behavior affects them.

How does private behavior between consenting adults affect kids? If the behavior remains behind closed doors, how will kids even know about it? "

Oh come on - thats like saying if a tree fall in the woods will it make a noise. Are you really that ignorant? We are not talking about private affairs - if that was the case we wouldnt even be discussing it. Is that what you see around you? This is the real world try basing your facts on what is happening today - not what you think it would be like if you lived in another dimension.

Public recognition and acceptance is the issue here. We are not talking about criminalizing thought - as you suggest. Be real


83 posted on 03/28/2006 10:46:51 AM PST by sasafras ("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom.)
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To: gondramB
It appears that you do not object in principle to government regulation of private behavior between consenting adults. It seems that you think that the standard you propose for such regulation, or its absence, is simply better than that proposed by others. Is this a correct statement of your position?

No. I am saying it takes an overwhelming public interest to over ride privacy. For example I have a right to be secure and private in my home but with clear evidence that I'm using the home for criminal activity and a warrant (or a time sensitive emergency) the police can over ride that right to privacy.

If I understood you, logically, your answer appears to contradict itself. Your standard is, in your words, overwhelming public interest to over ride privacy.

If you subscribe to any government regulation of private behavior between consenting adults , then, logically, the only remaining issue is under what circumstances should such regulation occur. The fact that your standard is overwhelming public interest to over ride privacy is, in reality, no better founded in principle or logic than that proposed by those who would demand government regulation of homosexual behavior.

Your counter argument?
84 posted on 03/28/2006 10:48:58 AM PST by Lucky Dog
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
It's just out of step to profess love for a group based on their behavior and then think you are going to be able to win an argument against their behavior. "I love liars but I think lying is wrong" is just weird and contradictory. That's essentially what our side has been saying for a long time. Imagine, "I love rapists but I think rape is wrong." The "you hate us" argument from the other side is a brilliant ploy to distract us from the issue at hand. Thus far it has worked like a charm. But true love means, as wonderfully stated in the article, that you have the persons best interests at heart, and that you speak the truth to them. Indifference to the fate of the sinner is not love. And love without truth is not real love. But bottom line, this is not an issue of love and hate -- nice try. Nor is it a civil rights issue. It's not even solely a religious issue. It's an issue about truth, nature, and morality. Refusing to pretend things are equal that are fundamentally and obviously not equal is not discrimination; it's critical thinking skills.

Great points.

85 posted on 03/28/2006 10:50:53 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: gondramB
Efforts to stop homosexuals from forming domestic partnerships, to have equal rights or to be forced to hide who they are run counter to good strategy and counter to American principles.

1.) There should be no special approbation of one's sexual fettishes when it comes to contract law. If two sodomites want to form a partnership, they are perfectly able to do so right now. There need be no special acknowledgment in the law of a deviant sexual relationship or of the mental disorders of the individual parties as the rationale behind the contract.

2.) Homosexuals have exactly the same rights as everyone else right now. Any laws specific to homosexuals are by definition special rights.

3.) There is no "American principle" that says that who you are is predicated upon where you put your penis. That is a principle of the hedonist left which emerged from the sexual revolution of the 1960s.
86 posted on 03/28/2006 10:51:34 AM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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To: gondramB
I did answer but I didn't put a period after it so it may have been unclear. I said "Nope". There are all kinds of restrictions on marriage in addition to the gender restriction. They are all designed to provide the best environment to raise children. For example banning incest and requiring VD tests... These are valid restrictions.

So how is stopping two people of the same sex from being married any different from stopping a man and his adult daughter from being married? On what grounds would you allow one over the other?

And, if you plan to argue the whole birth-defect point, what if one is incapable of having children? Is it OK then?

87 posted on 03/28/2006 10:52:14 AM PST by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: steve-b
Quoting a nut who can find anti-Catholic bias in a cloud formation doesn't exactly enhance the author's credibility.

I have to laugh when I see a nut calling someone else a nut.
88 posted on 03/28/2006 10:53:28 AM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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To: gondramB
Marriage between people who are too closely related is not legal and that is a good thing.

So you are a legalist, then? If it's legal, it must be ok because otherwise, it wouldn't be legal?

Your sequence of posts on this thread are among the most logically muddled I've seen in a while.
89 posted on 03/28/2006 10:56:38 AM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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To: sasafras
We are not talking about private affairs - if that was the case we wouldnt even be discussing it. Is that what you see around you?

I'm not sure what we're talking about. Are we talking about homosexuals engaging in sexual acts in public? No, I've never seen that. The most I've ever seen is two men or two women holding hands, and that was only in gay neighborhoods such as Dupont Circle here in DC.

Public recognition and acceptance is the issue here.

Well, homosexuals exist. Everyone knows that, so I do not see how we could ever hope to prevent children from learning this fact. Anyway, I do not think that simply recognizing the existance of homosexuals harms anyone. Furthermore, there is a difference between acceptance and tolerance. People in this country, for the most part, tolerate homosexuality. They do not, however, accept it.

So, I'm not reallt sure what you are proposing here. Making homosexuality illegal?

90 posted on 03/28/2006 10:57:52 AM PST by Potowmack ("Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government")
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To: linda_22003
We also don't want the kids to look like that banjo player in "Deliverance".

Then surely you'd be ok with incestuous marriages, as long as they're also homosexual...
91 posted on 03/28/2006 11:02:08 AM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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To: gondramB

You didn't address my points.


92 posted on 03/28/2006 11:06:19 AM PST by little jeremiah (Tolerating evil IS evil.)
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To: Antoninus
Trying to make it from the windowsill to the top of the refrigerator again! ;-D
93 posted on 03/28/2006 11:13:31 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: Antoninus

Well Stated!

:-)


94 posted on 03/28/2006 11:17:33 AM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: Terpfen
At this moment, I have only anecdotal evidence to offer.

I have a 30 yr. old daughter, M.S. in computer software design, B.S. degree from UMO, married, one child, homeowner,
upper middle class, two income family, etc. My daughter is a lovely, bright and engaging woman. She is also, and always has been, a worker bee. She gets her news exclusively from the Daily Show. Her best friend, Sara, same background, even more success, also watches only the Daily Show for news.
Kaitlin, Wheaton grad, ditto. Suzanne, URI M.S, ditto.
Only Suzanne has the "experimental child" like my daughter.
All the other young women in her crowd are "childfree".

I will try to search for the Rasmussen poll that shows the exact number of 30+ zuppies who get their "hard news" from CC. It was published within the last year.

p.s. My grandson, aka Veteran Commuter, has been in daycare since he ran out of maternity bennies. He even has his own Dunkin' Donuts drive-thru cup. I could just cry.
95 posted on 03/28/2006 11:18:56 AM PST by ishabibble
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To: linda_22003

"From the quote, it appears that divorce is out of the question, too."

We have new friends who were both in intolerable first marriages (her first husband was abusive). Both had children from those marriages but they have very successfully combined the two families.

When they moved here they joined what they thought was going to be a great church -- and then folks found out this was a second marriage. Members of the congregation essentially drove them out for "living in sin."

I guess it would be better to raise the kids as single parents?


96 posted on 03/28/2006 11:32:48 AM PST by Gone GF
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To: Gone GF

Judging the way other people live is a great sport for some. Maybe they didn't have cable TV in their area.


97 posted on 03/28/2006 11:35:59 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: Greg o the Navy

Whether or not it's a "choice" homosexuality is, very simply, perverted behavior. It needs to be reclassified as criminal conduct and those who practice it should be incarcerated.


Come on. We are trying to stop the homosexual agenda from going crazy. We have to be realistic about it. It will never be criminal again...that ship has sailed. However, what we can't allow is for it to make further gains that is my fight in this now. I don't see putting them in jail realistic.


98 posted on 03/28/2006 11:41:49 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200603\POL20060328b.html


100 posted on 03/28/2006 1:58:07 PM PST by Coleus (RU-486 Kills babies and their mothers, Bush can stop this as Clinton started through executive order)
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