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Greenhouse theory smashed by biggest stone (most potent greenhouse gas is H2O)
Space and Earth Science ^ | March 14, 2006 | University of Leicester

Posted on 03/28/2006 5:52:41 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

A new theory to explain global warming was revealed at a meeting at the University of Leicester (UK) and is being considered for publication in the journal "Science First Hand". The controversial theory has nothing to do with burning fossil fuels and atmospheric carbon dioxide levels.

According to Vladimir Shaidurov of the Russian Academy of Sciences, the apparent rise in average global temperature recorded by scientists over the last hundred years or so could be due to atmospheric changes that are not connected to human emissions of carbon dioxide from the burning of natural gas and oil. Shaidurov explained how changes in the amount of ice crystals at high altitude could damage the layer of thin, high altitude clouds found in the mesosphere that reduce the amount of warming solar radiation reaching the earth's surface.

Shaidurov has used a detailed analysis of the mean temperature change by year for the last 140 years and explains that there was a slight decrease in temperature until the early twentieth century. This flies in the face of current global warming theories that blame a rise in temperature on rising carbon dioxide emissions since the start of the industrial revolution. Shaidurov, however, suggests that the rise, which began between 1906 and 1909, could have had a very different cause, which he believes was the massive Tunguska Event, which rocked a remote part of Siberia, northwest of Lake Baikal on the 30th June 1908.
The Tunguska Event, sometimes known as the Tungus Meteorite is thought to have resulted from an asteroid or comet entering the earth's atmosphere and exploding. The event released as much energy as fifteen one-megaton atomic bombs. As well as blasting an enormous amount of dust into the atmosphere, felling 60 million trees over an area of more than 2000 square kilometres. Shaidurov suggests that this explosion would have caused "considerable stirring of the high layers of atmosphere and change its structure." Such meteoric disruption was the trigger for the subsequent rise in global temperatures.

Global warming is thought to be caused by the "greenhouse effect". Energy from the sun reaches the earth's surface and warms it, without the greenhouse effect most of this energy is then lost as the heat radiates back into space. However, the presence of so-called greenhouse gases at high altitude absorb much of this energy and then radiate a proportion back towards the earth's surface. Causing temperatures to rise.

Many natural gases and some of those released by conventional power stations, vehicle and aircraft exhausts act as greenhouse gases. Carbon dioxide, natural gas, or methane, and chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) are all potent greenhouse gases. Carbon dioxide and methane are found naturally in the atmosphere, but it is the gradual rise in levels of these gases since the industrial revolution, and in particular the beginning of the twentieth century, that scientists have blamed for the gradual rise in recorded global temperature. Attempts to reverse global warming, such as the Kyoto Protocol, have centred on controlling and even reducing CO2 emissions.
However, the most potent greenhouse gas is water, explains Shaidurov and it is this compound on which his study focuses. According to Shaidurov, only small changes in the atmospheric levels of water, in the form of vapour and ice crystals can contribute to significant changes to the temperature of the earth's surface, which far outweighs the effects of carbon dioxide and other gases released by human activities. Just a rise of 1% of water vapour could raise the global average temperature of Earth's surface more then 4 degrees Celsius.

The role of water vapour in controlling our planet's temperature was hinted at almost 150 years ago by Irish scientist John Tyndall. Tyndall, who also provided an explanation as to why the sky is blue, explained the problem: "The strongest radiant heat absorber, is the most important gas controlling Earth's temperature. Without water vapour, he wrote, the Earth's surface would be 'held fast in the iron grip of frost'." Thin clouds at high altitude allow sunlight to reach the earth's surface, but reflect back radiated heat, acting as an insulating greenhouse layer.

Water vapour levels are even less within our control than CO2 levels. According to Andrew E. Dessler of the Texas A & M University writing in 'The Science and Politics of Global Climate Change', "Human activities do not control all greenhouse gases, however. The most powerful greenhouse gas in the atmosphere is water vapour, he says, "Human activities have little direct control over its atmospheric abundance, which is controlled instead by the worldwide balance between evaporation from the oceans and precipitation."
As such, Shaidurov has concluded that only an enormous natural phenomenon, such as an asteroid or comet impact or airburst, could seriously disturb atmospheric water levels, destroying persistent so-called 'silver', or noctilucent, clouds composed of ice crystals in the high altitude mesosphere (50 to 85km). The Tunguska Event was just such an event, and coincides with the period of time during which global temperatures appear to have been rising the most steadily - the twentieth century. There are many hypothetical mechanisms of how this mesosphere catastrophe might have occurred, and future research is needed to provide a definitive answer.


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To: randog
"Too many paychecks depend on the fossil-fuel-is-evil theory."

Like WMD, people think of weaponry that has a trigger or shaped like a bomb rather than Bio-Warfare. We tend to think of oil for cars, machinery etc. while forgetting how something like a zip-lock bag to childrens toys, to parts of cars or anything that is plastic - that is actually what we are addicted to. You can purchase several different oils for your car, lawn mowers etc. that are man made and very good. Packaging with plastic is really a problem as it is wasteful and costly.....and it takes barrels of oil to produce it.

41 posted on 03/28/2006 8:49:10 AM PST by yoe ("If the enemy is in range, so are you.")
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To: muawiyah
So, you're the smart guy, give us the answers on this one.

Simple.

Belief in global-warming is faith-based science.

People who believe it don't need any facts, just the love and support of their fellow global-warming zealouts.

42 posted on 03/28/2006 8:56:05 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I wonder if ABC news will pick up on this.........


43 posted on 03/28/2006 9:00:24 AM PST by lmailbvmbipfwedu
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
There used to be a 2 mile high glacier in my backyard in Indianapolis.

It went away one day.

You telling me it didn't warm up?

44 posted on 03/28/2006 9:01:27 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
There used to be a 2 mile high glacier in my backyard in Indianapolis.

It went away one day.

You telling me it didn't warm up?

45 posted on 03/28/2006 9:02:56 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

I have one word for that action.

SPRINGTIME.


46 posted on 03/28/2006 9:10:14 AM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Well, clearly we're all going to have to stop drinking water and breathing, since that increases water vapor in the atmosphere.


47 posted on 03/28/2006 9:15:49 AM PST by TChris ("Wake up, America. This is serious." - Ben Stein)
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To: muawiyah
Irrigation could very well increase the amount of water evaporated into the air several percentage points. So, you're the smart guy, give us the answers on this one.

The short answer is that in irrigation (the part of it the works and isn't wasted) the water soaks into the ground and some of it is taken up by plants whereas over large open bodies of water there's nothing to slow it down.

Example: two thirds of the precipitation that falls east of the Rockies, comes from the Gulf of Mexico. It's a little over 66%.

Irrigation water evaporation on the other hand, has yet to reach the tenth of one percent range. It has about as much impact as an extra quart of water going over Niagara Falls.

We can even estimate the temperature of the water being used, in general, for irrigation purposes, as well as how much of it is sprayed and so forth, and it turns into a simple mathematical exercise.

It is definitely not as simple as that. You don't take into account the ambient air temperature, the dew point (which effects how much can be evaporated), how much of it is absorbed by the soil, winds, which can change the whole equation, the amount of insolation (sunlight) and dozens of other factors it would take too long to list.

If weather/climate research were as simple as you make it our to be, we'd already have our forecast for Easter 2020.

48 posted on 03/28/2006 9:17:55 AM PST by capt. norm (If you can't make a mistake, you can't make anything.)
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To: capt. norm; muawiyah
Evaporation is its own solution because under certain conditions water vapor turns reflective. Clouds and snow are white because they bounce back the full spectrum of light. They bounce sunlight back into space and bounce heat back towards Earth. If we manage evaporation, cause it to happen when conditions are right and suppress it when they are not, we can control the climate to be anything we want. If we create a canopy the climate below it cools forcing out the water. Most of the management would likely occur on the ocean surface. Scientists need to start developing these technologies rather than on leftist political solutions that are really anti-technologies.
49 posted on 03/28/2006 10:33:56 AM PST by Reeses
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To: Reeses
There are many excellent facts in your post but the relationships are all askew. Piecing together what you have posted is going to require it to be organized into some kind of coherency.

*Or maybe it's just me "sigh".

50 posted on 03/28/2006 10:40:12 AM PST by capt. norm (If you can't make a mistake, you can't make anything.)
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To: capt. norm
Irrigation is generally used in arid or semi-arid regions. It's pretty easy to find the numbers needed to estimate all of this.

Concerning "soaking into the ground", it does that ~ INITIALLY ~ and then it is sucked up by the plants. Much of it evaporates directly ~ that's why irrigation leaves behind salt damaged land.

51 posted on 03/28/2006 11:27:59 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
Concerning "soaking into the ground", it does that ~ INITIALLY ~ and then it is sucked up by the plants. Much of it evaporates directly ~ that's why irrigation leaves behind salt damaged land.

I'm sorry, but none of that has anything to do with the factors I mentioned in my post.

First of all, irrigation has been taking place on a long term basis and it's effects are barely measureable on today's equipment. As I mentioned, we're talking about a factor that amounts to hundredths of one percent, at best. Micro-trivia! What is your point?

*Please excuse me for guessing, but this wouldn't happen to be your your day off, would it?

52 posted on 03/28/2006 11:37:19 AM PST by capt. norm (If you can't make a mistake, you can't make anything.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Ah, so dihydrogen-monoxide is linked to global warming!
53 posted on 03/28/2006 11:40:33 AM PST by Smedley
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To: muawiyah

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54 posted on 03/28/2006 11:43:35 AM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - ("Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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To: capt. norm
Irrigation has been taking place for a long time ~ right ~ and we can pretty well establish when it was first implemented on a widespread scale because the Earth heated up.

That's way back when rice cultivation spread throughout China and East Asia.

Lightweight plastic pipe, cheap pumps, and other pieces of technology have allowed for a vast expansion of irrigation over the past 50 years.

Several issues back a Brit researcher saw his research into the matter of a coming Ice Age Glaciation published in Scientific American. It is his thesis that we are actually in the cool-down phase leading to widespread glaciation BUT widespread agriculture has served to keep the Earth warm. He pointed to a drop in global temperatures coincident with the great die-off of American Indians (1500-1600), and the consequent rise in global temperatures coincident with European/African re-settlement of the Americas.

55 posted on 03/28/2006 11:44:38 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
Sorry. My "Tin Hat Alarm" failed to go off on your post.

I have since replaced its batteries and it's now working fine now ...whoaaa!....let me turn it down here.

There might be a coherent thought in what you posted, but I sure don't have time to search for it.

56 posted on 03/28/2006 11:49:41 AM PST by capt. norm (If you can't make a mistake, you can't make anything.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
yuh, just received this from fellow at NASA.

Ocean water absorbs SO MUCH of the Sun's heat for this planet, otherwise we'd be in trouble. Great paper.

Luckily, the 'chance to debate' this theory has not been declared 'over' by Al Gore.

57 posted on 03/28/2006 11:53:57 AM PST by foldspace (Tom Delay is NOT a criminal)
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To: gobucks

Yes, the same big government that is running France to the stops will defend the earth against the big bad CO2. Get popcorn and watch the show.


58 posted on 03/28/2006 11:54:28 AM PST by jonrick46
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To: foldspace

Yup, the ocean absorbs lots and lots of heat.


59 posted on 03/28/2006 11:56:00 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: cogitator

LOL!! You missed adding an 'incorrect' about my Hillary statement!!!! Jeeeez Louieezzzzee!!


60 posted on 03/29/2006 3:54:34 AM PST by gobucks (Blissful Marriage: A result of a worldly husband's transformation into the Word's wife.)
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