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LIVE thread - Immigration Reform Markup 10am [Senate Judiciary]
C-span ^ | 3-27-06 | US Senate

Posted on 03/27/2006 6:56:23 AM PST by OXENinFLA

Immigration Reform Markup

Sen. Arlen Spector (R-PA) chairs a full Judiciary Committee meeting to mark up pending legislation including a draft bill on comprehensive immigration overhaul. Also, the committee will vote on a bill to televise Supreme Court proceedings and judicial nominations to federal courts.

MON. ON C-SPAN AT 10AM ET


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; Mexico; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 109th; immigration; immigrationreform
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To: Txsleuth
Diane has an amendment that it's ok to use a fake passport/ID/papers if a person says up front if the person was being tortured in their county

Kyle doesn't like the wording to the amendment
121 posted on 03/27/2006 8:57:08 AM PST by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
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To: hispanarepublicana

So far I haven't heard anything of substance towards fixing the problem from this session.


122 posted on 03/27/2006 8:57:14 AM PST by Rebelbase (Bush signed CFR. He deserves to be bitched at as much as McCain.)
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To: DumpsterDiver; kabar
 
Here is the Bear Stearns estimate of 20 million illegal aliens. I consider this the most honest & best estimate though I would raise it to 22-25 million illegal aliens ---->>>

 

20 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS? By Michelle Malkin   ·   January 03, 2005 11:02 AM

Barron's has an important lead article out today on "the underground economy" (password required). According to Robert Justich, a senior managing director at Bear Stearns Asset Management in New York, current estimates of the illegal alien population (most news articles cite the old 8 to 13 million figure) are too low. He puts the figure at 18 million to 20 million.

The article's author, Jim McTague, notes some devastating consequences of the failure to enforce our immigration laws--and he does so with a bluntness that is unusual for the usually open-borders-friendly business press:

[T]he underground economy is undermining the effectiveness of the Internal Revenue Service, which is highly dependent on employees' withholding taxes. If the IRS could collect all the taxes it says that it is owed from the underground economy in a given year, then the current budget deficit would disappear overnight. And if the IRS could collect these taxes every year, then the nation would have surpluses as far as the eye can see.

The IRS has estimated that its tax gap -- the estimated amount of taxes owed minus the amount collected -- is around $311 billion in any given year. The agency will produce a new estimate in 2005, and it could be as high as $400 billion, says former IRS Commissioner Donald Alexander.

 

McTague addresses pollyannas who note that our underground economy is smaller than other high-tax European countries:

To be sure, the U.S. underground economy, as a percentage of GDP, is smaller than those of some other countries. In a 2000 paper in a publication of the Independent Institute, a nonprofit research organization, Schneider found that Greece, as of 1998, had the largest underground economy, at 29% of its GDP, followed by Italy at 27.8% and Spain at 23.4%. Countries with high tax burdens and high social security costs lead the list.

But the sheer growth of the underground economy in the U.S. is cause for concern. If Justich's estimate of illegal immigrant workers is correct, the underground economy may now be growing at a markedly faster rate than the legitimate economy. Justich, working with Bear Stearns colleague Betty Ng, an emerging- markets economist, says he's found evidence of a larger illegal immigrant population by analyzing data on construction and on remittances sent from the U.S. to Mexico and other countries. He also had conversations with over 100 immigrants from Mexico, Brazil, the Dominican Republic, Guinea, China and Tibet. And he interviewed local business owners, real-estate sales people and police...

 

McTague also considers the impact Justich's research may have in Washington:

A larger number of illegal immigrants also would have a profound impact on coming discussions on immigration reform. President Bush proposes temporary amnesty for illegal aliens already in the country, allowing them to obtain permits to work legally for three years and stay longer if their jobs otherwise can't be filled by native-born workers. But if there are, in fact, 20 million illegal aliens, the Bush proposal could engender a situation not unlike the German unification of the 1990s, which triggered huge demand for social services in East Germany. Unanticipated costs here could be enormous.

The article should be must-reading for every member of Congress as President Bush prepares to foist his amnesty plan on America.

123 posted on 03/27/2006 8:57:17 AM PST by dennisw (I like Ike)
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To: DumpsterDiver; Txsleuth; Howlin
A.N.S.W.E.R. is deeply involved in organizing this.
Over 1 Million Protest in Los Angeles for Immigrant Rights!
Photo: A.N.S.W.E.R.'s banner reads: Full Rights for Immigrants! Legalization Now!

No surprise there

124 posted on 03/27/2006 8:58:42 AM PST by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
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To: Rebelbase

Me either.....they're talking about what to do with prosecuting criminal illegal aliens (a crime on top of the already criminal entry into the U.S.)....to me, it's putting the cart before the horse


125 posted on 03/27/2006 8:59:06 AM PST by hispanarepublicana (I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than get in a car with Ted Kennedy...[props to Auto Power])
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To: OXENinFLA

First they came for the gardening jobs
and I did not speak out
because I was not a gardener.
Then they came for the construction jobs
and I did not speak out
because I was not in construction.
Then they came for the computer jobs
and I did not speak out
because I was not a computer programmer.
Then they came for my job
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

paraphrased from
Pastor Martin Niemöller


126 posted on 03/27/2006 8:59:33 AM PST by Serenissima Venezia (U.S. a 3rd world soon: not educating enough scientists/engineers and being invaded by illegals)
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To: Rebelbase
So far I haven't heard anything of substance towards fixing the problem from this session.

This is a meandering warm up where they get TV exposure and get to show how "thoughtful" and deliberative they are. We'll get reamed out in a few days

127 posted on 03/27/2006 8:59:57 AM PST by dennisw (I like Ike)
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To: dennisw

Thanks for the links. Very interesting.


128 posted on 03/27/2006 9:00:40 AM PST by kabar
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To: DumpsterDiver

Can you say "communist front" organizations? Socialists and communists speak they way these activists do


129 posted on 03/27/2006 9:01:22 AM PST by dennisw (I like Ike)
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To: OXENinFLA

this is a joke

Amendments are being passed subjected to changes to be discussed later

I sure hope the republicans and their staff are paying attention


130 posted on 03/27/2006 9:01:41 AM PST by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
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doh! Kyl just said cart before the horse....maybe he read my post above! I'll bet he's got FR pulled up on his blackberry!


131 posted on 03/27/2006 9:07:48 AM PST by hispanarepublicana (I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than get in a car with Ted Kennedy...[props to Auto Power])
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To: Txsleuth
Diane has an amendment to give ag workers a blue card if they meet certain requirements with an opportunity of obtaining a green card
132 posted on 03/27/2006 9:11:29 AM PST by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
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To: OXENinFLA

What Feinstein is proposing about ag workers sounds as convoluted as the prescription drug plan.

If you work 100 days but no more than 110 days but less than 105 days, you might qualify for a green card, provided you pay a fine of $500, unless you have been in the country 2 years or less, except those who have in the country more than 110 days but less than 150 days and have worked a minimum of 105 days but no more than 108 days, and do not have a blue card.......


133 posted on 03/27/2006 9:13:22 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: OXENinFLA

I hope shots of all these "immigrants" waving MEXICAN flags is an eye-opener for the average Joe.

These are not Americans demonstrating.


134 posted on 03/27/2006 9:22:12 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Islamic Terrorists, the Mainstream Media and the Democrat Party Have the Same Goals in Iraq.)
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To: dennisw
Anyone know what the laws are on a citizen apprehending a known felon?

I am trying to figure out what the angle is on passing legislation to make illegals a felon since they are already illegal, some on felony counts, some on misdemeanor.

Are we to assume our elected are just pacifying us by doing something, even though it is meaningless?
135 posted on 03/27/2006 9:29:04 AM PST by IamConservative (Who does not trust a man of principle? A man who has none.)
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To: All

Denny's Miami this morning - there was a screamfest about immigration by the Haitian and Cuban staff. They are scared.


136 posted on 03/27/2006 9:33:01 AM PST by debg
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To: TomGuy

The Feinstein amendment is an abomination.


137 posted on 03/27/2006 9:33:45 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: debg
there was a screamfest about immigration by the Haitian and Cuban staff.

Were they screaming at each other?

138 posted on 03/27/2006 9:35:04 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: Bahbah
Cornyn is calling it an amnesty amendment .. he's right
139 posted on 03/27/2006 9:36:08 AM PST by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
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To: Mo1

Listening to Cornyn, it sounds like DiFi is trying to create a captive bunch of workers for the ag industry. Once you're in, it's very hard to get out.


140 posted on 03/27/2006 9:38:48 AM PST by Bahbah
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