Man they just voted me off American Idol.
Man they just voted me off American Idol.
How many people die of normal flu every year?
I feel safe in making a prediction that the Bird Flu will NEVER kill 10% as many people as regular flu does in any year.
This is SARS all over again. Watch maybe 500-1000 people die worldwide and once again, Big Science will have made a fool out of itself.
Complete nonsense. If you're in good health with a strong immune system you'll be fine. Flu viruses always take the very very young and the very very old.
I go over these threads and think I'm back in the SARS threads of 2004
Ping.
Thanks for posting this.
I have been following the bird flu topic for awhile and I have been doing alot of research recently.
My boss is going to China in April and I have some concerns about his exposure.
#1 Look at the map of the progression of the bird flu.
#2 Why do so many other countries report significant numbers in cases while China reports very few, yet the whole thing was more prevalent in China before it even appeared in other countries?
#3 China is a communist country without many freedoms. Do you think that they are covering up the numbers, as they did with SARS? There is no free press to report it if they are.
#4 Read articles on human rights violations on the website following. http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-3-
10/39111.html
Excerpted below
Worse Than Any Nightmare—Journalist Quits China to Expose Concentration Camp Horrors and Bird Flu Coverup
Over 6,000 Falun Gong Practitioners Detained in Secret Concentration Camp in China; 425 Bird Flu Patients in Two Facilities
Epoch Times Staff Mar 10, 2006
A reporter from China who worked for a Japanese television news agency and specialized in Chinese news recently escaped to the United States after being wanted in China for reporting on controversial issues. (The Epoch Times)
[High-resolution image ] A long-time reporter who worked for a Japanese television news agency and specialized in news on China told The Epoch Times that some little-known and very frightening things are happening in China today.
To protect his identity, The Epoch Times will refer to him as Mr. R.
CCP is Hiding Bird Flu from the World
The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has concealed the spread of the H5N1 bird flu epidemic within China from the rest of the world, according to Mr. R.
Currently, 425 bird flu patients are detained at the Heping District Contagious Disease Hospital and the Affiliated Hospital of Liaoning College of Traditional Chinese Medicine in Huanggu District, Shenyang City. These patients are being used for medical experiments. Liaoning Province has decided to not report these patients to the central government and use all of them as subjects for medical experiments. These people have no chance of survival.
Over 6,000 Falun Gong Practitioners are Secretly Detained at Sujiatun Concentration Camp
In Sujiatun District, Shenyang City, the CCP has established a secret concentration camp, where over 6,000 Falun Gong practitioners are detained, said Mr. R.
The concentration camp has a crematorium to dispose of bodies. There are also many doctors on site.
No detainees have managed to leave the concentration camp alive.
Before cremation, the internal organs are all removed from the bodies and sold.
Now there are only a few Falun Gong practitioners at the Masanjia Labor Camp and Dabei Second Prison. Most of them have been moved to Sujiatun. Other practitioners from northeastern China and central China are also being transferred there.
No dead birds yet. There could be be dead birds, of course, but none in the yard. Still waiting for that belligerent robin with feathers all beat up that comes around, usually about mid April, each year.
Y2Kluck?
I just read the article and now I am scared of everything.
I must have spent a half hour reading that interview! I think I understand the situation a little better now. It is good to get someone of this caliber talking about this issue.
Great post!
Thanks. Excellent post.
Between Dec. 26, 2003 and Oct. 24, 2005, there were 121 confirmed H5N1 infections and, of those, 62 have reportedly died. That makes the “apparent” death rate just over 51 percent, ranking this infection among the most deadly on record.
However, thousands of mild and asymptomatic cases are going undetected as detailed by Dick Thompson, a spokesperson for the World Health Organization (WHO). In an interview granted to CIDRAP (Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy) News on March 9, 2005, Thompson said that the case-fatality rate had been overstated. Documented cases were those where the patients were sick enough to seek medical care in a hospital and, predictably, they had very poor outcomes. He concluded, “Surely others were infected and either not getting sick or not getting sick enough to seek treatment at a hospital. Factoring those into the CFR [case-fatality rate] has been impossible. We simply don't know the denominator.”[2]
To illustrate, if 62 people died, but 10,000 had actually been infected, the death rate would be 0.62 percent, essentially insignificant. Therefore, without knowing how many are infected, the death rate is being highly inflated
2. The virus has barely infected humans; significantly, there has been no sustained person-to-person transmission of the infection.
Very few cases of severe human infection by H5N1 have occurred. An intensified surveillance of patients in Southeast Asia has led to the discovery of mild cases, more infections in older adults, and an increased number of “clusters cases” among family members, suggesting that “the local virus strains may be adapting to humans.” In other words, humans are developing their own innate resistance to the virus.[3]
In addition, all cases have occurred via animal-to-human transmission, and there is documentation of only one confirmed case of human-to-human transmission. Without sustained transmission between humans — meaning one person spreads it to another and another, and so on — there can be no pandemic. The “hype” that, sooner or later, the H5N1 strain will mutate into a strain that can be easily passed between humans is completely unsubstantiated. Whether this will happen is nothing more than a guess because:
3. We have had “potential pandemics” before.
In February 2003, Thompson of the WHO revealed that “there have been a half dozen pandemic ‘false alarms’ in the last 30 years.” A false alarm is an outbreak where a virus has jumped the species barrier, but has been confined to one or two people and has not been lethal...."[4]
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1. There was a shortage of vaccines for two of my three babies (between 2001-2003). The supply eventually caught up. Two years ago there was a big flu scare, and kids around here would get the first dose and couldn't get the 2nd. (Kids get 2 small doses). So yes, I believe this scientist when he says we have a PROBLEM with vaccine production in the U.S.
2. My strong and healthy 19-year-old great-aunt died in 1918 of the influenza. Kind of hits close to home.
Interesting article ping
don't you just love the folks who espouse the "we've been lucky in the past, and that means we will always be lucky" mantra?
stockpile food.
stockpile water.
stockpile ammunition.
you should do that anyway, in case of more mundane emergencies.
bump for later