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Vonage 911 Caller Put On Hold While House Burns Down
Consumer Affairs ^ | March 22, 2006

Posted on 03/23/2006 12:57:26 PM PST by mathprof

A Minnesota homeowner charges VoIP provider Vonage put him on hold when he called 911 to report his house was on fire. The home was a total loss.

Loren Velthamp of Chanhassen, Minnesota, said he grabbed the phone and called 911 when he realized a fire has started in his home. "I called 911 using Vonage broadband and they put us on hold," Velthamp told KSTP-TV in Minneapolis. “Unbelievable… your house is burning down, and you're put on hold by Vonage.”

Fire department officials say that by the time fire crews arrived on the scene, the fire had become a five-alarm blaze. No one was injured, but they described the dwelling as a total loss.

The incident has raised anew the question of how VoIP services, which provide telephone services over the Internet, interface with community 911 emergency services systems.

Because the calls aren't routed through the land-line telephone system's infrastructure, there has to be way to transfer into the 911 system that serves the nation's 6,200 emergency call centers. That transfer has posed numerous stumbling blocks so far, both technical and political.

As it now stands, VoIP 911 calls can be unreliable. Calls made after normal business house may be misdirected to emergency-services administrative offices, where the caller gets a recorded message. Even when the VoIP 911 call does make it to an EMS dispatcher, it sometimes lacks the information traditional phone services provide, like the caller's address and telephone number.

There could well be repercussions from the Minnesota incident at the Federal Communications Commission. Last year the FCC gave VoIP providers an ultimatum to institute by September 2005 the same kind of 911 access provided to people using landlines or cell phones.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Technical
KEYWORDS: emergency911; throwthebookatthem; woohoowoohoohoo
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Beware of Vonage. I tried them and didn't like the call quality. Took several calls to cancel and they charge you a $40 cancellation fee.
1 posted on 03/23/2006 12:57:29 PM PST by mathprof
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To: mathprof

"Suicide hotline... please hold."


2 posted on 03/23/2006 12:59:48 PM PST by YouPosting2Me
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Loren Velthamp of Chanhassen, Minnesota, said he grabbed the phone and called 911 when he realized a fire has started in his home. "I called 911 using Vonage broadband and they put us on hold,"

Maybe he'll research his next hi-tech upgrade.
3 posted on 03/23/2006 1:00:44 PM PST by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: mathprof

We all pay for the convience of 911.

If you keep the phone number of your local fire dept and know enough not to use 911 then you are eligible for VoIP usage.

If VoIP services are forced to provide 911 services then their cost advantage will disappear.

You can have it both ways!

Either you save with a VoIP company and don't use 911 --- or use ma belle and pay for 911.


4 posted on 03/23/2006 1:02:07 PM PST by George from New England
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To: mathprof

Another case of "Dial 911 And Die" - though not in the usual way it's meant.


5 posted on 03/23/2006 1:02:09 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: mathprof
The fire department also should have a regular - non 911 number that you can call. If you switch to an alternate provider, it would be prudent to make a note of such numbers. All the whines for the FCC to do something is just the pityfull clammering for their nanny state.

If all else fails Smoke Signals can be effective.

6 posted on 03/23/2006 1:05:03 PM PST by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: mathprof

I just started using Vonage, and while I can hear the other party just fine, they apparently have problems hearing me. The upload seems to go out for 1 to 2 second gaps.


7 posted on 03/23/2006 1:05:26 PM PST by LanPB01
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they put us on hold

I've been put on hold by 911 quite a number of time before. It is better now that we have 311 (non-emergency) service...finally.
8 posted on 03/23/2006 1:05:28 PM PST by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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I have dial 911 on my Vonage.

No problems.

I wonder if he registered his address with the service. Responsibility is with the end user there.
9 posted on 03/23/2006 1:05:35 PM PST by WakeUpAndVote (Member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy since 1992!)
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To: andyk

Good point. There has been enough news regarding how VoIP services links to local 911 systems that this should not be a surprise.


10 posted on 03/23/2006 1:05:40 PM PST by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: George from New England

Complete BS - the cost saving of VoIP has little to do with 911 1access. It's a hurdle right-now because the traditional phone service providers and VoIP are not working together to fix this.


11 posted on 03/23/2006 1:05:53 PM PST by al_again
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To: mathprof
I have Vonage for my business. The cable service in my county is great and I love it. I'll use my cell phone in an emergency. But for $39.00 a month with unlimited long distance and two lines, you can't beat it. Bell South would want over a hundred a month for two business lines ++ taxes + long distance. My suppliers are nearly all out of town as well as my customers.

Sorry for your bad experience. D@mn sorry for this poor homeowner. They were predicting something like this would happen with the limited emergency response. Sounds like big ma bell wants these broadband companies out of business. This will get a lot of play. Probably some rate hikes once the lawyers are through.
12 posted on 03/23/2006 1:06:43 PM PST by poobear (Islam - A Global Lynch Mob !)
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To: Mark was here

"If all else fails Smoke Signals can be effective."

Ha Ha

The object is to stop the house from smoking.


13 posted on 03/23/2006 1:08:16 PM PST by George from New England
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To: mathprof

Just as with banks and doctor's offices, apparently you must plan your 911 emergency between 9 and 4:30 and M-F except for holidays.


14 posted on 03/23/2006 1:09:21 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: YouPosting2Me
Check here!
15 posted on 03/23/2006 1:09:38 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (A Liberal: One who demands half of your pie, because he didn't bake one.)
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To: WakeUpAndVote

First, I am a Vonage Customer and will tell you their staff probably has a paucity of Mensa Members. You do have to register your address for 9-1-1 service. And lastly, standing around on hold while the house burns down around you means you probably have bigger problems than phone service.


16 posted on 03/23/2006 1:09:44 PM PST by pikachu (Chuck Norris prefers cats to dogs. This is because cats fit better in his George Forman grill.)
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To: mathprof

woo hoo... woo hooo hooo... woo hoo... wooo hooo hooo! /sarcasm


17 posted on 03/23/2006 1:09:48 PM PST by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: mathprof

This is reminiscent of people who have nothing in their house but cordless phones. When the power fails, they can't call.

If you use cordless phones exclusively now, go to your nearest Goodwill or Salvation Army store and purchase a hard-wired telephone. It will cost you under $5. Plug it in in the living room somewhere.

That simple advice could easily save your life should a power failure accompany some other sort of life-threatening event.

Do it today!


18 posted on 03/23/2006 1:09:52 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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"Suicide hotline... please hold."

That is the the worst of it, the hold music: Jump by Van Halen Don't Fear The Reaper by Blue Oyster Cult
19 posted on 03/23/2006 1:10:25 PM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: mathprof

This is why I avoid VoIP like the plague. Well, that and the bad call quality. I'd rather pay the extra $20 a month, get crystal-clear phone calls and be able to use the phone without my Internet bandwidth slowing to a crawl.


20 posted on 03/23/2006 1:11:20 PM PST by Dont Mention the War (This tagline is false.)
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