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Spreading democracy is a great idea - starting with the U.S. (Stuck on Stupid.... serious barf)
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 21 March 2006 | Molly Ivins

Posted on 03/23/2006 8:25:41 AM PST by IrishMike

Good news: The Bush people have put out a new ''strategy.'' The bad news is it's the same as the old one. The Pentagon's strategic review plan again commits us to promoting democracy through such effective means as pre-emptive war, bombing and other good stuff. This is the same plan we've been working from, with mixed results so far. In the Middle East, the Palestinians had an election and put Hamas in charge. That didn't seem to make anyone happy. Lebanon had an election and put Hezbollah in charge. The theory that democracy would solve all problems is especially dicey in Iraq. The Iraqis have now elected an entire government, but they don't seem to be able to get it to gel. Meanwhile, we are committed to forcing democracies into existence as though they were so many slow spring bulbs. I do like the idea of supporting democracy, however, and think we should try it - especially here in the U.S. of A. To this end, a couple of dandy ideas are now circulating, and I think they're worth your support and excitement. For ages, all good reformers have wanted to get rid of the Electoral College and have direct popular election of presidents, instead. The disastrous election in 2000 finally culminated in Bush v. Gore, a Supreme Court decision so bad even the court disowned it at the time. What a giant mess: a textbook case of why the Electoral College is toxic piffle. But the desire to Do Something about the mess in 2000 burned itself out. The Republicans who took over Congress are just not natural reformers.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; clinton; congress; dnc; elections; gop; gore; medisbias; msm; news
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Democracy! What a concept! The states can do this one-by-one, subscribing to an interstate compact that would take effect when enough states join to elect the actual winner - a majority of the 538 electoral votes. Wouldn't it be fun? Candidates campaigning everywhere - everyone's vote wanted? Democrats in Texas, Republicans in New York, all sought after, cared about as though we actually matter.
1 posted on 03/23/2006 8:25:48 AM PST by IrishMike
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To: IrishMike
Molly Ivins....... BLECH!
2 posted on 03/23/2006 8:26:54 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Rummyfan
a textbook case of why the Electoral College is toxic piffle

Ah, that's it! And, The Constitution. Let's rid ourselves of this excess baggage.

3 posted on 03/23/2006 8:28:23 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: IrishMike

Democracy - aka Mob Rule - is a really, really bad idea. It is two wolves and sheep deciding what is for dinner. It is your neighbors "redistibuting" what you earn. In the end it is kleptocracy and anarchy.

Try a republic instead. Or at least a representive democracy.


4 posted on 03/23/2006 8:28:43 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: IrishMike

still stuck on 2000?..how pathetic..but this is molly (ihatebushnomatterwhat) ivins..


5 posted on 03/23/2006 8:29:57 AM PST by BerniesFriend
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To: Puppage
a textbook case of why the Electoral College is toxic piffle

Could it be because they can't win elections – Democrats have gotten a majority vote in a national election only two times since FDR was president (Lyndon Johnson in '64 and Jimmy Carter in '76)

6 posted on 03/23/2006 8:30:45 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Little Ray

Democracies are great...just as long as you always agree with the majority.


7 posted on 03/23/2006 8:32:16 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: Little Ray

You mean "representative republic", not "representative democracy" don't you?


8 posted on 03/23/2006 8:32:59 AM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Puppage
What a giant mess: a textbook case of why the Electoral College is toxic piffle.

That Molly is a genius! Smarter than all the Founding Fathers! So smart she would upset a proven political process that has worked for over two hundred years. Why, that's longer than any European constitution or Democracy, but no matter!

Why does any reputable outlet print this idiot's drivel?

9 posted on 03/23/2006 8:33:26 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: BerniesFriend

If Kerry had won the electoral vote in 2004 these hypocrites would love the system.


10 posted on 03/23/2006 8:33:39 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: IrishMike

In the Middle East, the Palestinians had an election and put Hamas in charge.

BUSH'S FAULT

That didn't seem to make anyone happy. Lebanon had an election and put Hezbollah in charge.

BUSH'S FAULT

...pihead reporter. She fails to mention that Japan and Germany have the 3rd and 5th largest economies in the world.....guess "forcing democracy" on them wasn't such a good idea, eh?


11 posted on 03/23/2006 8:34:04 AM PST by scottdeus12 (Liberals are like festering cysts. They must be lanced, drained, and removed.)
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To: IrishMike

This is your brain on Gin.


12 posted on 03/23/2006 8:35:24 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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If Kerry had won the electoral vote in 2004 these hypocrites would love the system.

Amen to that..I believe Bush won the popular vote over kerry by 4 million..and won a majority..not a plurality that gore won in 2000..but if kerry won 120,000 votes in Ohio..he would be President today (OMG)..you wouldn't hear pipsqueak from the left and msm about that would you?

13 posted on 03/23/2006 8:39:24 AM PST by BerniesFriend
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No you wouldn't and as much as I would have detested seeing him in the White House I wouldn't have called him illegitimate.


14 posted on 03/23/2006 8:41:58 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: IrishMike
Congress are just not natural reformers

Does she not understand that it would take a Constitutional amendment to change the Electoral College....oh never mind!

Liberals are all about choice UNTIL you choose differently than them.
15 posted on 03/23/2006 8:42:51 AM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: IrishMike

I was going to post a pick of this wench, but after eating lunch I decided food staying where it should stay is a good thing.


16 posted on 03/23/2006 8:43:24 AM PST by oxcart (Journalism (Sic))
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To: IrishMike

In other words, lets spread democracy in the U.S, with democracy being defined as anything which helps democrats win elections. Yes, true democracy only is realized with liberals in power who promptly quash democracy. by: making it easier to manufacture votes via not requiring ID cards, allowing felons to vote, preventing the updating of voter rolls so the dead and cartoon characters can vote, re-re-re counting until they are ahead and then decrying any more counting as "disenfranchisement," seeking to redistrict, unless, of course it helps Republicans and then its "head for the hills and keep the legislature from meeting" then sue sue sue and claim racial discrimination.

Yes, democracy, yet another word (like torture, patriotism, freedom of speech, etc.) dumbed down by the left for its own purposes. Democracy = a process by which any and all means are justified to ensure that liberals win power (and consequently socialism advances and racist, sexist, homophobic people (Conservatives) are defeated, which is justified since Conservatives are automatically illegal anyway).


17 posted on 03/23/2006 8:43:25 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: IrishMike
It's exactly this misconception that democracy per se is a good thing that makes some of us a little dubious about President Bush's campaign to democratize the world.

I have a friend who calls Bush a "Jacobin".

What we should be spreading across the world is constitutional government, with a just mixture of 'democratic', majoritarian element and 'anti-democratic' elements to restrain the popular will and protect the interests of minorities (in the political sense).

One of the most egregious examples of judicial activism was the "one man, one vote" decision which ruled that state constitutions could not follow the wisdom of the Federal constitution and have an upper legislative house elected from districts (say counties or towns) not based on population.

The electoral college is a defense of the interests of small states against those of large, just as the Senate is. We need to spread checks and balances around the world at least as much as democracy: the Hamas election, and the case of Mr. Rahman in Afghantistan show that democracy without checks and balances is just a short road to tyranny.

18 posted on 03/23/2006 8:46:50 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Right! Anything but democracy.

Personally, I favor a representative republic with a limited franchise.
19 posted on 03/23/2006 8:47:27 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: IrishMike
You might want to use the text-only link to spare yourself a visual assault.
20 posted on 03/23/2006 9:01:55 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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