Posted on 03/23/2006 1:48:05 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton ratcheted up her talk about religion yesterday - saying a GOP-sponsored bill making it a felony to be in the United States illegally would have "criminalized" Jesus.
Clinton, who's considered the Democratic front-runner for the 2008 White House race, made the comments at a hastily scheduled news conference about the House-passed bill aimed at illegal immigrants.
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Did God ever say you should give the Hope Diamond (which isn't yours to give) to the poor?
Well then, he did not say you should give your neighbor's backyard (which isn't yours to give) to the poor.
From post 28 above
1. Legal Provisions: (1) Principles. The dominant principles of the legislation are most succinctly given in two passages: He "loveth the ger in giving him food and raiment" (Deuteronomy 10:18); "And if a ger sojourn with thee (variant "you") in your land, ye shall not do him wrong. The ger that sojourneth with you shall be unto you as the home-born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were gerim in the land of Egypt" (Leviticus 19:33 f.). This treatment of the stranger is based partly on historic recollection, partly on the duty of the Israelite to his God. Because the ger would be at a natural disadvantage through his alienage, he becomes one of the favorites of a legislation that gives special protection to the weak and helpless.
From "Light the Lamp!": The monthly newsletter of the Holy Flame Pentecostal Church of Little Rock, Ark.
We welcome back to the area Senator Hillary Clinton (D., N.Y.), who has been spending so much time here in Little Rock lately that she's practically joined the church choir! "I'm here spending time at my husband's library," she told the Lamp when we caught up with her after a Sunday camp meeting, "and of course, I always take time to worship God in as evangelical a way as is feasible, given time and location constraints. As you know, I consider myself an evangelical Christian, really a Christian conservative, if you want to know the truth, so it's nice to be 'home' again in the South, which I really consider my quote-unquote home even though I live in New York most of the time. Well, Washington, D.C., most of the time, actually, but if I'm not there I'm in New York, of course, but always thinking about being here, in the South, my spiritual home, where I shared so many wonderful evangelical . . . moments and . . . events. Can you read that back to me?" The "Light the Lamp!" staff would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that Christ loves all of us equally, and that God's house is open to all, even to senators from New York, so whoever is muttering stuff and saying mean things while pretending to cough can just quit it right now.
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Logic pales in the face of revelation, doesn't it?
He can't go sneaking around giving what isn't his to give.
Did the Samaritan take the unfortunate traveller to his home?
"Let your yes be yes, and your no, no."
Is it more comfortable to raise strawman arguments than to stick with commenting on biblical references?
OK, should we make it illegal to eat oysters?
It is the reductio ad absurdum which demolishes you.
Nauseating, and offensive beyond words.
Let her keep showing what an ass she is.
Any thoughts on beheading being contrary to the Koran, Ms. Religious Expert?
Or are we talking about the same Hillary Clinton who sat on Walmart's board when it was profitable for her and Walmart?
I am stating that if we look to the bible about how we treat aliens that are among us we might not be in accordance. It pains me to say that Hillary might be right on this point.
And are you stating a belief that if we open our borders and just treat everyone with love, kisses (maybe meals on wheels, tax-funded medical clinics under big tents in El Paso), who charges across the Rio Grande without a visa, that God has somehow bound Himself to prevent any harm from coming to the United States as a consequence?
I don't see that treating aliens who are among us has anything to do with open borders.
I don't think your theology is sound, IF that's what you believe...and I'm not sure what you believe.
I have no theology on this issue. I merely have biblical references and questions. If you can point me to the right direction that changes what God taught the Hebrews and what Jesus taught us, I'm all ears. I really don't like what the scripture seems to say about this issue.
I have no doubt that this is true. However, there are two variables in that sentence.
It seems to me that Hillary!'s understanding of "the Scriptures" is flawed, not surprisingly.
As far as I know -- and I also have a flawed understanding of the Bible, no doubt -- there was nothing illegal about the life and travels of Jesus. People who were free in that age were free to move about between the various towns and cities, even into and out of Egypt, without restriction. To say that something like this latest bill would have criminalized this activity is a non-sequiter. The underlying law and relations between nations is completely different than it was in those days. This bill does not create those differences, but merely enforces them. Perhaps Hillary! is saying we should go back to the good old days where there were no border controls at all? If this is her position, she should advocate it forcefully.
But where she really falls down in her interpretation, in my humble opinion, is that she has a law-enforcement mentality about it. She fails to recognize that the Commandment to love our neighbor as ourselves is a far stronger reason to support unrestricted immigration than a discussion of whether or not Jesus violated visa restrictions 2000 years ago.
But it is not accident that Hillary! takes the law-enforcement view of things. This is how she views everything, from the War on Terror to restricting access to medical care. Her approach on every issue is to empower authority and enforce compliance, no matter what the cost.
You have totally missed the point about love.
Sure they do. There's nothing illegal about rendering aid to the victim of a crime. Further, there's nothing illegal about paying for his hospital stay if you desire to do so.
So Jesus used the equivalent of a despised illegal alien..
Here's where you're on shaky ground. Where exactly in Luke does it say the Samaritan was where he was illegally? Chapter and Verse if you please.
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Jesus continued many OT teachings. This wasn't one of them. He in fact expanded the alien ones with his Samaritan teachings.
God Bless
Reread what I wrote with emphasis on "equivalent".
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