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Richmond rail plan draws a crowd (Houston, Tx. Metro)
Houston Chronicle ^ | RAD SALLEE

Posted on 03/21/2006 7:58:02 PM PST by Jalapeno

March 21, 2006, 2:37PM

Richmond rail plan draws a crowd


Most of the 500 at town hall talk oppose Metro idea

By RAD SALLEE

Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

More than 500 people attended a town hall meeting Monday night on the controversial choice of a route for the Metropolitan Transit Authority's next light rail line, most opposing plans to build on Richmond Avenue.

Those who spoke at the meeting, at St. Luke's United Methodist Church, 3471 Westheimer, were each given one minute to talk, and most said they favored a line on nearby Westpark.

Some, like Christina Campbell, said construction on Richmond would disrupt neighborhoods and destroy business.

"The construction will kill businesses and rail will not support businesses there," said Campbell, who owns a hair salon at Richmond and Kirby.

She said she lost a business in the Midtown area when business fell off due to rail construction there.

Others said Metro should abide by the 2003 referendum in which voters narrowly approved a resolution calling for a long-range transit plan including a light rail line on Westpark.

"Metro should study the democratic process before they study a way to get around it," said Chris Seeger, of Afton Oaks.

But the resolution also said that "final scope ... and other details" of the plan would be based on "demand and completion of the project development process, including community input."

Metro contends that this clause provides room to choose an alternative route if that serves the community's needs better.

A few supported the proposal.

Robin Holzer of the Citizen's Transportation Coalition said the proposed line is "a long corridor with different needs, different concerns."

Richmond Avenue is destined to change as its use increases, Holzer said.

She added that a light rail line might be preferable to the alternative.

Mayor Bill White tried to assure residents that leaders are listening to their concerns.

"This is the way things work," White said. "Without some agreement between the chair of Metro and its board and me ... there is not going to be some new rapid transit route in West Houston


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: boondoggle; cars; congestion; deathtrain; failrail; harriscounty; houston; mayorwhite; smartgrowth; taxdollarsatwork; texas; tomdelay; traffic; tyranny; youpayforthis

1 posted on 03/21/2006 7:58:06 PM PST by Jalapeno
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To: Jalapeno; Flyer; weegee

ping if you please


2 posted on 03/21/2006 7:58:24 PM PST by Jalapeno
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To: Jalapeno

Will it make a stop at Dave & Busters?


3 posted on 03/21/2006 8:01:25 PM PST by SengirV
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To: SengirV

It might put a stop to Dave and Busters....


4 posted on 03/21/2006 8:02:09 PM PST by Jalapeno
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To: SengirV

Acutally, in a more serious reply...I think the proposal has it stopping at the Galleria.


5 posted on 03/21/2006 8:02:44 PM PST by Jalapeno
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To: Jalapeno
""Metro should study the democratic process before they study a way to get around it," said Chris Seeger, of Afton Oaks."

Well said.
6 posted on 03/21/2006 8:14:39 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Jalapeno
"...I think the proposal has it stopping at the Galleria...

Lunacy. There is physically no room for it to pass within several blocks of the Galleria Mall.

My experience of the growth of mass transit light rail is that crime follows it where ever it spreads. That's what happened with Bart in the Bay area over the last 25 years.

7 posted on 03/21/2006 9:38:13 PM PST by -=SoylentSquirrel=- (“People don't start wars, governments do.”.........Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jalapeno

As long as it doesn't stop at Kingfish. That place has horrible food.


8 posted on 03/21/2006 9:46:58 PM PST by SengirV
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To: Texas_Jarhead
"Metro should study the democratic process before they study a way to get around it," said Chris Seeger, of Afton Oaks.

At least you have something that attempts to pass as a democratic process. Here in NM King Bill Richardson has bought a railroad, purchased commuter engines and cars, and is planning to start service from nowhere to nowhere in a few months. And he did it all without holding a vote, bond election or other input from the people. He snookered the legislature in approving it, but the cost, of course, is going to be more than they understood it would be, and fare recovery is estimated to be only 10% of operational cost with the unasked taxpayer picking up the rest. He'll be a fine Democratic candidate for President -- he can weasel with the best of them.

Do a search on Richardson's Railroad for details.

9 posted on 03/21/2006 10:05:11 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-
While there is light rail (including the famous cable cars) among SF's varied transit systems, BART is heavy rail, i.e. a subway and elevated transit system.
10 posted on 03/21/2006 10:14:51 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: CedarDave

Yea, I've read a number of articles posting on FR about that issue. The backstory to the Houston rail issue is that it was put to a public vote where it was defeated. But guess what? Houston got the metro rail anyway...


11 posted on 03/21/2006 10:28:58 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Jalapeno; Eaker; TheMom; humblegunner; pax_et_bonum; stevie_d_64; thackney; HoustonCurmudgeon; ...
Putting another rail line down the middle of the street is sheer lunacy. The way Metro is doing rail is just a glorified bus system.

Richmond is a great east-west corridor now and a train down the middle will just shove more cars onto already crowded Westheimer.

Metro should stick to moving people and forget about trying to reshape Houston into its utopian vision. Rail is fine - if it actually moves large quantities of people at a decent speed.
12 posted on 03/22/2006 5:26:15 AM PST by Flyer (Send Beer)
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To: SengirV
As long as it doesn't stop at Kingfish. That place has horrible food

The Kingfish on Richmond is closed. I guess we know why!

13 posted on 03/22/2006 5:27:51 AM PST by Flyer (Send Beer)
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To: Flyer

Since they're not even considering a line that goes west of the 610 loop, this is more about building a high-density downtown area than moving any commuters into downtown.

It's all about building a utopian vibrant city center and having the evil Republican commuters from the suburbs pay for it while not having the remotest chance of benefiting from it.


14 posted on 03/22/2006 5:45:07 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-

I'm going to refer to it as Mess Transit as it does nothing to reduce congestion. Removing multiple lanes of traffic only reduces the throughput on those roads.

Main Street is a joke. Buses would have been far more efficient (even if their travel times may not have been as good, because the rail is authorized to run red lights always and Metro buses only when they are coasting on yellow).


15 posted on 03/22/2006 6:03:32 AM PST by weegee ("Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.")
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To: CedarDave

The democratic process is only paid lip service in this town. We've had Rat mayors for decades. Term limits forced out the former property developer Metro head Bob Lanier. He's handpicked his successors.

When a Republican enters the race for the non-partisan office, suddenly it is a "partisan" and "divisive" race.

The Comical is decidedly pro-rail and has savaged Tom DeLay for years because of his opposition to Federal funding of Houston's bloated boondoggle ("light rail").

The public who live along the Richmond corridor had better learn to lay back and "enjoy it". Maybe put some ice on that sore later. But the city leaders are going to have their way with 'er.


16 posted on 03/22/2006 6:11:25 AM PST by weegee ("Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.")
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-; Lucius Cornelius Sulla
My experience of the growth of mass transit light rail is that crime follows it where ever it spreads.

I recently got a contract to work in downtown Houston and have needed to go there the past few weeks. I decided to take the train.

Before my first hand riding experience, I always looked at it as a waste of money, as a bus on a rail. As a disaster in transportation design siince there is still at least one car/pedestrian accident a week with the thing, and the money spent on it is way more than even it's opponents anticipated.

But now that I ride it, I see there is a much bigger problem. It is a criminal disaster waiting to happen. I road NYC subways back in the Dinkins days, I have seen a dangerous rail system. Houston's is begging to become one.

There is no control of the train. You don't have to buy a ticket. No one ever comes on and spot checks.

The trains are very insecure. There is a lot of room to walk around, yet the cars are small and you cannot change cars. There is only one employee on the train, and that is the driver. The driver is isolated to where he/she can not really see what is going on on the train. The second train car is VERY isolated from any Metro representatives, as there are rarely any on the entire line.

The train passes through a bad area of town. Homeless people get on and off, beggars move from station to station. You see a lot of people sitting down, on the platform, obviously with no where to go, and they don't get on the train when it comes.

Even worse, I have seen gangs displaying their colors on the train. Groups of threes usually. This is not good. I predict we will see a rape or a multi-stop crime/assault at some point and people will wonder how it could possibly happen...

And what I have seen is during peak commuter times. I absolutely will not ride at night.

So you have a system that encourages fair-beating and no safety security. Yeah, sounds real good. Let's add more.

17 posted on 03/22/2006 6:13:40 AM PST by Jalapeno
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To: Flyer

Can't say I'm shocked. I've avoided even driving past that place after I made the mistake of eating there once.

Well, that and I don't live in Houston any more. ;)


18 posted on 03/22/2006 6:43:00 AM PST by SengirV
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