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Georgia House OKs high school Bible classes
AP ^ | 3/21/6 | Greg Bluestein

Posted on 03/21/2006 7:13:39 AM PST by Crackingham

A bill that allows public high schools to offer classes on the Bible sped through the House on Monday, passing overwhelmingly with no debate. The legislation, which passed 151-7, would allow high schools to form elective courses on the history and literature of the Old Testament and New Testament eras. The classes would focus on the law, morals, values and culture of the eras.

State Rep. James Mills, the proposal's House sponsor, said the legislation would withstand a court challenge because it treats the Bible as an educational supplement. Under the proposal, the Old Testament and New Testament would be the primary text for each class and the local school board would decide which version of the text to use. Students would also have the option to use a different version of the text.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: bible; christianity; education; georgia; hseducation; religiouseducation
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1 posted on 03/21/2006 7:13:41 AM PST by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham

Has the ACLU been heard from, yet? :)


2 posted on 03/21/2006 7:15:08 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: Crackingham

This sounds reasonable - I wonder if they will really treat the text critically - like pointing out that the Gospels of Mathew and Mark appear to have been copied from a common source.


3 posted on 03/21/2006 7:17:30 AM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

Never mind the ACLU...what about the hard core evolutionists that populate this board...they'll be screaming about 'destroying the sanctity of the scientific enterprise'...or some such thing...


4 posted on 03/21/2006 7:18:25 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: Crackingham

The end is near!!!! Public education is lost!!!


5 posted on 03/21/2006 7:20:05 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Crackingham
I don't like it and I'll explain why.

Public school teachers will approach teaching the Bible the way they approach teaching history.

They will "deconstruct" the Bible by teaching children that the narrative is "mythic", they will compare it on an equal footing with pagan sagas and stories, they will promote the documentary hypothesis, etc.

The Bible should be taught to believers by believers in the context of a believing congregation.

6 posted on 03/21/2006 7:21:01 AM PST by wideawake
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"Never mind the ACLU...what about the hard core evolutionists that populate this board...they'll be screaming about 'destroying the sanctity of the scientific enterprise'...or some such thing..."

Why would we do that? This isn't about science class. That's the only problem with teaching intelligent design - is the proponents want to force scientists to teach something without evidence in science class. In a bible class or a literature class that's not an issue.
7 posted on 03/21/2006 7:22:00 AM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: IrishBrigade

what about the hard core evolutionists that populate this board...they'll be screaming about 'destroying the sanctity of the scientific enterprise'...or some such thing...
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I completely disagree. The so-called hard core evolutionists simply don't want creationism taught in science class.

I confess to being one of the evolutionists (don't know if I'm "hard core" or not), but I am totally behind classes such as this being taught.

I don't think one can adequately understand western culture or its history without some background on the Bible.


8 posted on 03/21/2006 7:24:44 AM PST by dmz
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To: gondramB

If they're going to point out canonical historicity, then it should actually be referenced that Matthew and Luke appeared to use both Mark and another source, commonly called Q, thus resulting in the Dual Source Hypothesis...Q is imputed to be a collection of Jesus' sayings; the similarity of some Matthean and Lucan oral material thus posing the hypothesis...


9 posted on 03/21/2006 7:25:27 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: wideawake
I disagree that it would be bad. In my Senior year, we went over the Bible in English class from a literary standpoint. The teacher was an athiest-Jew, but everyone in the class was Christian. It didn't change anyone's belief in the Bible, in fact, it made some stronger by seeing a different way at looking at the Bible. Sometimes seeing a different perspective will validate your own.
10 posted on 03/21/2006 7:25:52 AM PST by Laz711 (The Barbarians are in Rome)
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One good teacher and one good class do not make your case.

There are plenty of bad teachers out there, many of whom are already bent on undermining their students' values and belief systems.

11 posted on 03/21/2006 7:29:02 AM PST by wideawake
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Whether you like it or not, the Bible is part of western cultural history. I have no doubt that it can withstand the "deconstruction" you speak of. For the believers, it will not change a thing. For those who don't believe, at least they'll have a better understanding of what the book is about.

Bring it on! (the class, that is)


12 posted on 03/21/2006 7:29:06 AM PST by dmz
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To: gondramB
This sounds reasonable - I wonder if they will really treat the text critically - like pointing out that the Gospels of Mathew and Mark appear to have been copied from a common source.

Do you also worry that evolution is not taught critically?

13 posted on 03/21/2006 7:30:09 AM PST by Always Right
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To: gondramB
"teach something without evidence in science class."

Some people wouldn't see evidence if they lived in it.
14 posted on 03/21/2006 7:30:48 AM PST by yer gonna put yer eye out (ACLU = heterophobic, Ameriphobic, brainophobic (CAUTION: I made up some of these words))
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To: IrishBrigade

"If they're going to point out canonical historicity, then it should actually be referenced that Matthew and Luke appeared to use both Mark and another source, commonly called Q, thus resulting in the Dual Source Hypothesis...Q is imputed to be a collection of Jesus' sayings; the similarity of some Matthean and Lucan oral material thus posing the hypothesis..."


Is that a recent analysis - that Mark is an original gospel? When we studied the bible back at my Christian school we were taught that Mark was likely based on another account the teacher called "proto-Mark."


15 posted on 03/21/2006 7:31:09 AM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: Always Right
"Do you also worry that evolution is not taught critically?"

I worry that science in general is not taught well because of a lack of qualified teachers willing to teach under those conditions at those salaries.
16 posted on 03/21/2006 7:32:40 AM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
Has the ACLU been heard from, yet? :)

No smiley necessary, you'll hear from them. I wonder why my schools never heard from the ACLU when they were teaching Greek and Roman religions ("mythology").

The only problem I could potentially have with this is if a particular teacher crosses the line from teaching into indoctrination. Otherwise, sounds like a great course that I would have signed up for.

17 posted on 03/21/2006 7:33:29 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: yer gonna put yer eye out

Sad but true.


18 posted on 03/21/2006 7:34:32 AM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: gondramB
This sounds reasonable

But the kids can't find Asia on a map and generally aren't being prepared to take care of themselves in this world.

19 posted on 03/21/2006 7:36:20 AM PST by pop-gun (A dumbed down population is more dangerous to our country than terrorism.)
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To: dmz
Whether you like it or not, the Bible is part of western cultural history.

Of course it is.

I have no doubt that it can withstand the "deconstruction" you speak of.

I'm not worried about the Bible.

For the believers, it will not change a thing.

You could not be more wrong. Children are often not yet mature in their faith and have not been confronted by attacks on their motives of belief. A teacher, an authority figure, who makes assertions in a classroom than the child cannot verify and cannot challenge with his own internal resources can sow seeds of doubt and disbelief.

I know plenty of people who claim that they were believers until they encountered a teacher or some other older person who "exposed" the Bible or Christianity to them, destroying their youthful faith.

Adults in authority can do tons of damage.

For those who don't believe, at least they'll have a better understanding of what the book is about.

Again, a public school stands little chance of informing kids as to what the Bible is about. The way the history of America is mangled and distorted in our public schools supplies a preview of how the Bible narrative will be treated.

20 posted on 03/21/2006 7:37:22 AM PST by wideawake
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