Same guy?
Posted on 03/20/2006 11:20:02 AM PST by Huber
HEHE!
I don't drink anymore.. thank God!!
I don't think it's a loaner baby given his looks. I'd say it's a "Grudge Baby". That's when his wife tells him it's his, but somebody had it in for him.
They insisted the water was perfectly safe, so I don't see why they'd be so surprised that I wanted to drink some!
What a great FReep. Wish I could have been there this year, but school had me away from Fayetteville.
We hope to see y'all next year!
Same guy?
Could be related, but not the same guy. The chin is very similar, but the noses are different (swoop vs. hook), the new guy has a prominent adam's apple, and there is clearly an age difference between the two.
Father and son?
The blackshirt is younger
POSTED ON MARCH 22, 2006:
Antiwar protesters warned about Bush, Iran
Anniversary of the Iraq invasion
"I think the chances are better than even that we'll start bombing Iran within the next couple of months," McGovern told more than 160 people Sunday at the Unitarian Universalist Fellowship of Raleigh.
McGovern has joined other analysts who predict a U.S. attack on Iran is imminent. Author Robert Dreyfuss, a contributing editor at The Nation, wrote recently, "The pieces are falling into place for Operation Regime Change II, this time in Iran. You'd think, given how badly it went the first time, and how utterly unpredictable a showdown with Iran would be, that the Bush administration would have at least changed its M.O.--but no."
McGovern, who prepared the president's daily CIA briefing under Nixon, Ford and Reagan, says he "would not at all rule out" a suggestion by Karl Rove and other Bush neocons that "the way to get back up in the polls is start another war. That's Rumsfeld's history--when things go wrong, he'll widen the problem. I wish that were funny. It's not.
"I really hope that he won't do that, but the indications are there that he has already decided to attack Iran, and for some strange, bizarre reason, the West Europeans are not as strongly opposed to that as they were to Iraq," he says.
McGovern and Dreyfuss say a war with Iran could be deadly for both sides.
"Iran is not Iraq, and it would be a major war," McGovern says. Iran could send "four divisions [of soldiers] into Iraq overnight."
Dreyfuss wrote that Iran has "500,000 battle-hardened Pasdaran" (members of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps) ready to fight, "plus the people they have control or influence over in Iraq."
McGovern also was the keynote speaker at last Saturday's antiwar rally in Fayetteville, where more than 1,000 people gathered for a march and rally marking the third anniversary of the start of the Iraq war. The numbers were down from last year's 4,000, but organizers said the lower figure reflects the fact that more demonstrations happened around the country this year.
In addition to McGovern, those at the "Bring Them Home Now" event heard from Iraqi pharmacist Rashad Zidan, one of seven Iraqi women who are touring the United States calling for an end to the U.S. occupation. Zidan, whose trip is sponsored by the U.S. peace group Code Pink, will also speak Wednesday night (March 22) at 7 p.m. at N.C. State in 222 Dabney Hall, near the brickyard.
Zidan, like most of the speakers, had to compete with a vocal group of about 100 counter-protesters from Free Republic and the Rolling Thunder motorcycle gang. Because of their location on a hilltop above Rowan Park, the counter-protesters were perfectly positioned to use bullhorns to project their voices, effectively disrupting speakers.
"I'm not speaking to the people who have a stone heart," Zidan yelled. "They would not understand me.... We're just not free. We're just under occupation, and every free people would fight against occupation and try hard to be free again."
Raleigh Code Pink activist Shannon Hardy scolded the counter-protesters for interrupting Zidan. "Shame on you," Hardy yelled several times into the microphone.
(emphasis added, above three paragraphs)
Both McGovern and speaker Michael Berg, whose son Nick's beheading was gruesomely captured on videotape in May 2004, called on all U.S. citizens to accept responsibility for the ongoing war and work to stop it.
"This war is not George Bush's war anymore," Berg said, "and this war is not Congress' war anymore. This war belongs entirely to you and to me. We, not they, are responsible for it."
In his Raleigh talk, McGovern wrote down the letters W-A-R, and he said the acronym stood for "We Are Responsible."
Paul Schroeder, whose son, Marine Lance Corporal Edward "Augie" Schroeder, was killed in Iraq last August, said his son told him the war "was not worth the cost" in lost lives.
"We are doing exactly what he would do if he was still alive," said Schroeder, who was joined on the stage by his wife, Rosemary Palmer. Schroeder called on Bush to find a political solution to end the war.
"American blood is not worth your pride, Mr. President," he said. "You can swallow your pride and admit to a mistake. Leadership, Mr. President, leadership. That's what's required now before more lives are wasted."
The Fayetteville protest's most stirring speech came from the Rev. Cureton Johnson, an activist and pastor of Fayetteville's First Baptist Church. Referencing last Sunday's gospel account of Jesus cleansing the temple of the moneychangers, Johnson said voters should do the same thing with politicians who support the "unholy war" in Iraq.
"Liddy Dole needs to go home, and John Edwards needs to stay in Chapel Hill," Johnson said. "Indeed, it's time to speed up the timetable to bring our troops home. We face terror right here in America.... When folks' heating bills rise 200 percent or more in one year, that's terrorism.
"Brothers and sisters, it's time to cleanse the temple in the District of Columbia," he said. "Let us drive out the politicians who might plunge us into more senseless war. Indeed, it's time to take a preemptive strike at the ballot box. It's time for a preemptive vote and to change the course of this nation."
Christina Cowger, chair of N.C. Peace Action, said the United States must adopt Peace Action's call for "a new foreign policy based on respect for human rights and democracy. Our campaign says, let's all stand up and say 'no' to the immoral and dangerous preemptive war doctrine and ongoing U.S. efforts to dominate the globe. That's wrong, and we are against it.
"We need to transfer resources from war-making to taking care of our people. What kind of country spends $400 billion a year on its military when 17 percent of its children live in poverty and about 20 percent of its people have no health insurance?"
Elena Everett of the Institute for Southern Studies brought an anti-military recruitment message to the stage. She said the U.S. government was engaged in a "poverty draft" because while cuts are being instituted for Pell grants and subsidized student loans, funds are being increased for military recruitment.
"This is a conscious and vile effort to take away the hope of our youth, to take away our choices, to take away our future," Everett said, "leaving few alternatives to military conscription."
Chapel Hill activist Dennis Markatos-Soriano says he was encouraged despite the smaller turnout in Fayetteville from 2005.
"There were enough people here today to give me some hope," he said. "The numbers are for us. The American public wants us to move forward, wants us to get out of Iraq. We need to get a clear policy message to our leaders and make that happen."
Cary mother Michelle Rose, who rode a charter bus to the demonstration, said the politicians in Washington are paying attention to the antiwar movement.
"The war in Iraq is going to be an issue not only in '06, but in '08," Rose says. "We're sending a message about how convoluted and misguided this administration is."
URL for this story: http://indyweek.gyrobase.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=29422
MY COMMENT: Notice how the number of appeasers swells to "more than a thousand" in this account. Also, check out this quote from Zidan:"...every free people would fight against occupation and try hard to be free again."
So they were free under Saddam?
These bozo anti war protestors ascribe to the goals of the Nazi party. The main goal of the National Socialists back then and now is the disarmament and defeat of the capitalism and Judaeo-Christian priniples, which is requisite for the advancement of the glories of National Socialism, emboddied so well in the rule of Saddam Hussein.
I am the man pictured there talking to the police. Somebody gave me a link to this thread.
Without us being able to talk directly to each other, there is all sorts of room for wild speculation. That is why I wanted to go and talk to the counter-demonstraters in the first place. To sit down and have a civil conversation, as we have the opportunity to do in this free society.
Yes, that is my son on my back, and no, I was not using him as a human shield. I did't know there was going to be any problem just talking to someone. I wasn't trying to stir up trouble or anything. I have respect for your views, and just wanted to hear them face to face.
As far as my views go, I am a Libertarian, and believe very much in this country, and in the rights of the individual. I spent 7 years in the U.S. Army, including 6 months in the current Iraq war. I have the utmost respect for our military, and wish them the best. Many of my friends are still serving in the military, and I hope they all come home safely.
Unless you have fought in war, and have had people trying to kill you, it is hard to understand what the soldiers are going through. You really start to question why your life is in jeopardy, and if you are really making your loved ones any safer. Most of all, if you die, you want your life to mean something.
My son was 4 months old when I was deployed to war. I did my job, and I did it well, and helped keep many soldiers alive because of it. I'm just glad that I made it home to see my family. I want that for all of the military.
I could go on and on, but I'll stop now so I can get back to work. I would be glad to answer any questions anybody has for me, or talk about almost any subject. I do mean *talk*. Please don't expect me to respond to *angry flames*.
Take Care,
-Anthony M Altemara
"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." -George Washington
Mr. Altemara
First, please excuse the brevity of this response. I have to eat this Chinese food (China Inn, Pittsboro, NC) while I take care of 8 dogs so I can get to bed to get up early and go to work in the morning.
You may very well have only wanted to talk, but our experience with people from the "protester's side of the street" demonstrates that is never their purpose. They have in the past tried to stir up trouble. In 2005, one of them actually attacked one of the women in our group.
The other side also claims to "Support the Troops." This is a lie, confirmed on Sept. 8 by members of Code Pink in Washington DC (the sponsors of the demonstration across the road from us) in this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1700867/posts.
The other side claims "Bush Lied" but they can't give one "lie" told by the President. The statement quoted most often is the one made in his "State of the Union" address where he reported that British Intelligence has evidence of Iraqi attempts to buy yellow-cake uranium in Niger. British Intelligence still stands by their report. We know Saddam had WMDs at some time in the past because of all the dead Shi'ites, Kurds and Iranians. He failed to account for these weapons. We can not take the chance that he would pass these weapons to his terrorist buddies, including Al Qaeda. And although we all know that Saddam Hussein had no direct involvement with 9/11, we know he did have ties to Al Qaeda (http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/378fmxyz.asp) And where did the poison gas come from that Al Qaeda operatives tried to use in Jordan in April, 2004 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4771882/)?
But all that is secondary to the fact that our troops are in harm's way. And if you don't support the mission, you don't support the troops.
We will not allow a repeat of what happened in Vietnam. True fact: General Giap of the North Vietnamese Army was prepared to surrender in 1968 after the Tet Offensive, which was an overwhelming success for the American Armed Forces. But that's not how it was reported in the American Media. Walter Cronkite reported that the NVA and VC had won that battle, and that the enemy had overrun the American Embassy in Saigon. General Giap saw this along with the growing anti-war movement in the US. He knew that all he had to do was wait. When he was first prepared to surrender, less that 10,000 American lives had been lost. The protesters gave our enemy the courage to persevere through 48,000 more American lives. Let me say that another way: The protesters are responsible for the loss of 48,000 American lives!
Do you think that Code Pink and their supporters are giving the terrorists any less courage? (BTW, Code Pink also gave $600,000 to terrorists in Fallujah.)
That's some of why we were across the street. I gotta go to bed now.
ping
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