Pretty soon, no reliable research is going to be believe just because of these unethical groups spewing forth lies and misinformation. Pretty sad, IMHO.
If every dime sent to propagate the lies of the tobacco control people had been spent doing basic cancer research instead, who knows what might have resulted?
Causes might be moot, for there might be a cure.
Instead, treasure greater than the net worth of small notions is pi$$ed away in drives for ever increasingly encroaching legislation, regardless of whether the point of diminishing returen was passed long ago or not.
We all get ripped off, smoker and non smoker alike when fundamental liberties are taken away by an increasingly intrusive government, but that sting is intensified when this is done under false pretenses.
Sadly, under it all, it is not about tobacco, but control. The methodology learned in this venue will be readily applied in others.
I've smoked them all my life, and I aint dead yet...
Inhalation toxicologists have shown that 2nd hand smoke does not cause heart attacks and/or cancer period. This is just more hype from the same types that push global warming.
Limbaugh always speaks of a WHO study on second hand smoke. Rush claimed it found no conclusive evidence about second hand smoke dangers or something to that effect.
This sounds a lot like the, "It's not the nature of the evidence, but the seriousness of the charge that matters," that the left uses.
And some Freepers agree with it. Sad.
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There is no use since everyone knows that tobacco kills. Thing is, it's a scientific fact, a 100% certainty, that if you even TOUCH a smoker, you will die.
This is my standard response to leftists. The major damage caused by their irrationality is that they are making all data suspect. They are no longer "liberal" which is an honorable if misguided position. The democrat party is run by leftist anarchists. (The foundation of Western Society is the scientific method. A juvenile anarchist would attack a building - the current crop of leftists attack the foundation of all buildings.)
Not only can't they have a rational discussion - they are affecting the ability of others to do so.
When I read information now, I find myself looking at the author block first. If it looks suspect - I don't even read it - or I treat it as propaganda.
Note that "suspect" category now includes almost all universities, government agencies - especially international ones - NGOs and leftist feel good groups etc.
The MSM has lost basically all credibility in my eyes -
The politicization of science is a huge crime.
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But, people should look at it and spend some time reading the rather lengthy source link.
Did you hear about the Moonbats(MaDD) driving the police to go to bars to arrest drunk drivers before they drive?.. All with the best good intentions you see..
"WOT A COUNTRY"- yacob pavlov..
The Center for Science in the Interest of People who don't Know any better declared that driving a car SIGNIFICANTLY increases a person's chances of being in a car accident. Also, swimming in the ocean shows SUBSTANTIAL increase in the likelihood of being attacked by a shark.
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Here's a link to the study where they get those numbers
Acute Effects of Passive Smoking on the Coronary Circulation in Healthy Young Adults
The conclusion is junk science at it's best
The jest of the study is they injected the participates (Smokers and Nonsmokers) with ATP (which is what you body uses for energy, so essentially it's speed) and measured 4 things, Heart rate, blood pressure, basal coronary flow velocity and Coronary flow velocity reserve (CFVR).
Then later they put them in a room full of second hand smoke for a half hour and then injected them again with the ATP and remeasured the 4 things.
Of those 4 things, 3 of them were EXACTLY the same. One of them the CFVR on average (meaning lots of overlap) in the nonsmokers decreased by only 5% (3.6 to 3.4 - The higher the # the better). There was no change in the smokers.
And this somehow was suppose to prove what exactly I don't know
To put that 5% in perspective, when a similar study was done on caffeine, in that study just one cup of coffee reduces CFVR by 43% (2.3 to 1.3 - They used different units)
So...
One cup of coffee - 43%
Second Hand smoke - 5%
So drinking one cup of coffee is 8.6 times more deadly than being in a room filled with SHS
Another thing to note about this so called "study", the smokers in it were much more healther to begin with.
Their baseline CPVH was 4.4 vs the 3.6 in the nonsmokers,
in which,
1) the difference between the two groups is greater than the "significant change" that occured in the study
and
2) methinks in their selection process they delibertly selected less healthly (i.e. overweight couch potatoes) non-smokers in order to attempt get a bigger response.
Also, unlike what the antis are claiming, there's no evidence in this study to suggest the effects are cumlative (i.e. 1 hour would increase it by 10%, 1½ hours - 15%, 2 hours - 20%, etc)
The sad part is, if this study was on anything else but SHS and they tried to pass it off they would be laughed at
The state of California claims that scientists that work for the state have proven that second hand smoke causes breast cancer. This is what the anti smoking law in Calabasas is based on.
Smokers need to take legal action against the state of California if they want to stop this crackpot science from taking their right to smoke nationwide.
If you don't stop this now, tobacco will be added to the CSA and smokers will become criminals.
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It's Cheroot Madness, I say.
Seriously, if you asked John Q. Public which is more of a nuisance, tobacco smoke or barbecue smoke, guess what you'd get as an answer 90% of the time.