Posted on 03/18/2006 8:00:22 AM PST by genefromjersey
Lou Dobbs on Chinese Inroads in Latin America : Dead Wrong !
Recently,veteran newscaster Lou Dobbs informed his audience –with much frowning , tsk-tsk-ing, and head shaking – the main reason Communist China has been able to make such massive inroads into Latin America was due to America’s refusal to permit its troops to be hauled before the International Court of Justice at the Hague.
With all respect to Mr. Dobbs, it is difficult to imagine how he came to such a conclusion !
Let me state a few basic facts of life; and, after review, perhaps we may reason together.
Fact 1 : China is an expansionist nation, which, despite its flirtation with “capitalism” – (if one may describe industries owned by the Peoples Liberation Army as capitalist ) – is still officially and actually committed to the promotion of Maoist Communism all around the globe.
Fact 2 : China is a massive –(some might even say reckless) - consumer of oil ,and has demonstrated time and time again it will do almost anything to obtain and maintain steady sources of that commodity.
Fact 3 : Latin America has massive reserves of oil – on shore and off shore:enough, some say, to make the vaunted Middle Eastern oil fields look like mud puddles.
Fact 4 : Latin America is a seething cauldron of unrest : much of which has been stirred up by Chinese “surrogates” – ( Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, The Shining Path,and FARC come to mind.) This makes it a prime market for high-end military equipment.
Fact 5 : The United States – at least in the last 20 years or so – has become increasingly hesitant to supply military equipment to Latin American nations interested in attacking their neighbors, suppressing burgeoning democratic movements at home, or otherwise trying out for membership in the “Axis of Evil”.
Fact 6 : China has no compunctions about supplying military equipment to Latin American oil producers – in exchange for oil. If the equipment adds to area-wide tensions, or is used to overthrow democratic regimes – so much the better !
Fact 7 : China would never dream of turning its troops over to the International Court . Were it to do so, the Hague would be so inundated with pending complaints, it would cease to function.
Fact 8 : The Latin American nations being courted by China don’t give a tinker’s dam about the Hague (although a few of their diplomats may make appropriate noises at the UN) . They have oil to sell, and they have a buyer – who will help them extract and refine it, and who is willing to supply them with shiploads of weapons : all without tiresome moralistic or ecological restrictions.
Lou Dobbs, with all respect , I think you were dead wrong .
Recently,veteran newscaster Lou Dobbs informed his audience ... the main reason Communist China has been able to make such massive inroads into Latin America was due to America’s refusal to permit its troops to be hauled before the International Court of Justice at the Hague.
Louie Dobbs, cares about one thing and one thing only, his own fatalistic hyperbole.
Lou Dobbs, with all respect, where the hell did you get that idea???
I'm curious as to how letting us be tried in the ICC would stop China from doing anything. We'd just rot away and die like Slobo did.
China's prive sector;
"On the basis of this analysis, the survey declares that the Chinese economy has been characterised by more private than public ownership for some time now. Thus, the private sector, which accounted for 43 per cent of value added in the non-farm business sector, was responsible for 57.1 per cent in 2003. The corresponding figures for the business sector and the economy as a whole were 53.5 and 63.3 and 50.4 and 59.2 respectively. This is indeed a remarkable transition."
It might be helpful to actually see what was said on the show. It wasn't Dobbs opionion, but Rices and others.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0603/16/ldt.01.html
aired 3/16/07
CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Three years ago, the United States banned military aid to 11 Latin American nations. The reason they refused to exempt U.S. citizens working there from the jurisdiction of the international criminal court in The Hague.
But the policy has backfired and allowed Communist China's People Liberation Army to step in to the military void left by the United States. According to congressional testimony this week by General Bantz Craddock, leader of the U.S. Southern Command, Chinese military influence in Latin America is...
GEN. BANTZ CRADDOCK, U.S. SOUTHERN COMMAND: ... widespread and growing every day. We see more and more that military commanders, officers, non-conventional officers, are going to China for education and training.
WIAN: Reportedly, China has already offered to sell anti- aircraft missiles to Bolivia, jet fighters and military radar to Venezuela, and satellite equipment with potential military capabilities to Brazil.
General Craddock also spoke of even more non-lethal Chinese military equipment going to Latin America. And of the lost opportunity to promote Democratic values in a region teaming with tenuous democracies. The ban on U.S. military aid is fueling anti- American sentiment in the region.
JULIA SWEIG, COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS: The prohibition on military assistance in Latin America is seen by Latin Americans as U.S. hypocrisy. On the one hand, the United States wants Latin America to support the war on terror, to support the counter-drug effort. On the other hand, we're seen as hypocrites in order to redress this one narrow issue.
WIAN: Lawmakers are outraged.
SEN. JAMES INHOFE (R), OKLAHOMA: The Chinese are standing by and I can't think of anything that is worse than having those people go over there and get indoctrinated by them.
WIAN: U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said during her recent visit to Latin America that current U.S. policy on military aid there is the same as shooting ourselves on the foot.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
WIAN: So far the White House has not officially endorsed a policy change, but several lawmakers are not waiting and say they will introduce legislation restoring the U.S. military's ability to work with nations in its own backyard. Casey Wian, CNN, Los Angeles.
DOBBS: Three lawmakers are taking their complaints about Communist China's predatory trade practices directly to Beijing. Senators Charles Schumer, Lindsey Graham, and Tom Coburn will be in China next week. There, they'll be discussing intellectual property theft and currency manipulation by the government of Communist China.
The Senate later this month is scheduled to consider slapping a 27 percent tariff on Chinese goods. That, say its supporters, would make up for the unfair advantage that China receives from its undervalued currency.
"Private ownership" in China is defined a mite differently from here. The PLA - usually through "private" corporations,holds controlling interest in almost every major enterprise in China. (It is actually how the Army is funded !)
Any ideas what he was smoking when he said this?
Thanks for that clarification. I doubt the dweebs will read it and see that Dobbs was reporting the new instead of making news.
See post 8
People believe what they want. Facts don't matter.
Thanks for the additional information. It is much easier to form opinions and make smart ass remarks without all that information> :-)
However, it does not change my opinion of Dobbs.
Was this about a refusal to hold U.S. personnel immune from the International Court?
"Three years ago, the United States banned military aid to 11 Latin American nations. "
I have been a little puzzled, but more in the dark, about what we are doing in Central and South America. There has been very little reporting except about Venezuela and Bolivia going left. I have not read nor heard nothing about the rest. Since the MSM has not covered it, nor Fox, I assumed everything was chugging along just fine. The MSM is happy to jump all over bad news for the USA.
Not true. Privately owned Boeing plants in China make Boeing Parts. The China Government owns controlling interest in many business but not the majority. there are many joint ventures with private owners in China with American investor and many China business are privately owned. Boeing nor any Boeing subsidiary is not owned by China Government and Boeing is but one business of many. The Boeing Company and China A long history of cooperation between China and Boeing forms the basis for today's extensive network of "working together" relationships in the People's Republic of China.
Pilot, maintenance and management training in China support the operation of Boeing airplanes. In the same cooperative spirit, Boeing has developed advanced field services, logistics and technical support throughout the country, while also working together with China to advance air traffic management and aviation safety. In addition, several factories produce major assemblies and parts for Boeing 737, 747,777 and 787 airplanes. There are also joint ventures for composite manufacturing, airplane modification and repair, and spares.
China's fast-paced economic growth is expected to be accompanied by rapid aerospace development. China and Boeing have worked together successfully since 1972 -- for 3 3 years. Boeing hopes to continue the relationship as a preferred partner in commercial aviation.
In 2000, Boeing China debuted a Chinese-language Web site showcasing the Boeing Company.
Some of the exciting highlights today are:
On the new 7E7 airplane program, Boeing is actively working with China to engage Chinese suppliers and hosted a 7E7 Asian supplier conference in Beijing in November 2003.
December 2003, Boeing announced that it is joining forces with Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) and Chinese airlines in the sponsorship of more than 200 CAAC and airline personnel in pursuit of Masters of Business Administration (MBA) degrees.
In 2000, Boeing China debuted a Chinese-language Web site showcasing Boeing company and commercial airplanes information.
Boeing and China -- the Early Years Ties between Boeing and China began early. In 1916, the year of the company's founding, William E. Boeing hired Beijing-born Wang Zhu to design a new seaplane, the Model C, for the U.S. Navy.
Wang had just graduated in aeronautical engineering from Armstrong Technical College in London and Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Boston. His work with The Boeing Company laid the groundwork for a generation of new airplanes.
China is not only distinguished in Boeing's history for having contributed its first engineer hired by the Compnay. In 1935, China became the first country outside the United States to receive a Boeing field service representative.
On March 29, 1939, Pan American Airways began trans-Pacific service to Hong Kong using Boeing 314 Clipper seaplanes. A number of Douglas Dolphins, DC-2s and DC-3s also operated in China in the 1930s and 1940s.
Bruce Ferrante Says:
November 28th, 2005 at 4:41 am
Lou Dobbs Is A Communist
It’s pretty simply, really. Freedom is a great thing, unless it begins to irritate the people who have all the money and power. That is, freedom for the masses is good, as long as the masses don’t start to make decisions that cause consternation in the minds of pseudo-intellectual, socialist lefties like Lou Dobbs.
If a man owns a business, but only has 10 dollars to pay a worker per hour, and someone wants to work for that wage, he should be free to hire that person if he wants to. If someone else wants 15 bucks an hour, then that guy simply can’t be hired. And if someone forces that small business owner to hire the guy who wants 15 bucks per hour, then unfortunately he won’t be able to hire anyone, and his business will suffer, and not grow.
Either way, Lou Dobbs and other Communist sympathizers want to to dictate just who that business owner can hire, and what he should pay him, because if he doesn’t “tow the line,” then he is “anti-American worker” and is “exporting jobs” to cheap or foreign labor, and thereby, in Lou Dobb’s own words, “threatens not only millions of workers and their families, but also the American way of life.”
Well, the American way of life was, and always has been, premised on a decent job for a decent day’s pay, with no interference from anyone else. That’s called freedom. Lou’s method is called socialism, if not fascism or Communism, wherein the state through its government controls everyone’s wages.
What happened to letting market forces dictate wages, Lou? What happened to laissez-faire economics, Lou? What happened to capitalism, and letting the hungry work hard to get rich, while the fat and lazy sink to the bottom where they rightfully belong? See the movie, Giant, starring James Dean for a reference.
Who are you, Lou, to dictate what the average American wage should be? Shouldn’t fat, lazy Americans with an overblown sense of entitlement just move to France, where they can be part of that socialist fabric, where their wages would be guaranteed to be crappy? We don’t need them here in America, Lou.
If Adam Smith could hear you, Lou, he would be spinning in his grave. You are a discredit to American capitalism, and may just be the sad, awful and inevitable result of too much food, comfort, and leisure time that comes with being an affluent American after living here for many generations. Hell, you are becoming British, or even worse, French.
Move to socialist Europe, Lou. The Wild, Wild West of America is too tough for you to stomach anymore.
The one point I disagree with Dobbs is minimum wage. Is that what it takes for you to call him a communist? Out government now controls wages, so what's new? They even allow illegal labor to come in and control wages.Is our government communist? Yours is a hit piece with an agenda and full of nothing but propaganda. The problem you and others have with Dobbs is that he reports much of what most others won't. And some would like the public to stay uninformed.
Who is Bruce Ferrante? This is all I could find.
"They're probably home watchin' it, or else to them it just doesn't matter much what he says," said Bruce Ferrante, 50, who viewed the speech from a bar stool at The Strand bar on North Coast Highway.
Ferrante, who said he has lived in Oceanside for 34 years, said he thinks the Marines believe in their mission and that Oceanside believes in its Marines.http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/06/29/news/top_stories/0_00_186_28_05.txt
No it's not. PLA only has a few private business connections, not the entire Chinese private sector. The PLA is funded directly by the government as part of its modernization campaign (corporation funded militaries tend to be less loyal to the state).
You need to go check out some of the private enterprises in Zhejiang province; many are simply owned by local people and without party connections. They are the main source of China's economy right now, not the state-enterprises.
It's easy to dismiss the Chinese economy as "run by the state", "run by the PLA", "slave labor" etc. If that were indeed so, China's economy wouldn't be growing so fast today. It would be like the USSR or Indonesia, which China is clearly not.
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