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To: Omedalus

21 posted on 03/14/2006 1:51:31 PM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libra nos, Domine)
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To: orionblamblam

Analogies like this demonstrate serious scientific illiteracy.


37 posted on 03/14/2006 1:58:25 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: orionblamblam

I am laughing my ass off right now.....LoL!


41 posted on 03/14/2006 1:59:43 PM PST by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: orionblamblam

Heh, thank you for that image. I've never seen that one before. Cute. :)


46 posted on 03/14/2006 2:01:42 PM PST by Omedalus
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To: orionblamblam

That is a GREAT graphic.

It is sooooo stolen!


105 posted on 03/14/2006 3:17:15 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: orionblamblam; PatrickHenry
Yeah; something is definitely headed for the ash heap of history, but based on the judge's comments regarding the testimony of defense experts like Michael Behe in the Dover trial, it doesn't look like it's Darwin who's on the way to the dump:

On cross-examination, Professor Behe admitted that: "There are no peer reviewed articles by anyone advocating for intelligent design supported by pertinent experiments or calculations which provide detailed rigorous accounts of how intelligent design of any biological system occurred"(22:22-23 (Behe)). Additionally, Professor Behe conceded that there are no peer-reviewed papers supporting his claims that complex molecular systems, like the bacterial flagellum, the blood-clotting cascade, and the immune system, were intelligently designed. (21:61-62 (complex molecular systems), 23:4-5 (immune system), and 22:124-25 (blood-clotting cascade) (Behe)). In that regard, there are no peer-reviewed articles supporting Professor Behe's argument that certain complex molecular structures are "irreducibly complex."17 (21:62, 22:124-25 (Behe)). In addition to failing to produce papers in peer-reviewed journals, ID also features no scientific research or testing. (28:114-15 (Fuller); 18:22-23, 105-06 (Behe)).

After this searching and careful review of ID as espoused by its proponents, as elaborated upon in submissions to the Court, and as scrutinized over a six week trial, we find that ID is not science and cannot be adjudged a valid, accepted scientific theory as it has failed to publish in peer-reviewed journals, engage in research and testing, and gain acceptance in the scientific community. ID, as noted, is grounded in theology, not science. Accepting for the sake of argument its proponents', as well as Defendants' argument that to introduce ID to students will encourage critical thinking, it still has utterly no place in a science curriculum. Moreover, ID's backers have sought to avoid the scientific scrutiny which we have now determined that it cannot withstand by advocating that the controversy, but not ID itself, should be taught in science class. This tactic is at best disingenuous, and at worst a canard. The goal of the IDM is not to encourage critical thought, but to foment a revolution which would supplant evolutionary theory with ID.

To conclude and reiterate, we express no opinion on the ultimate veracity of ID as a supernatural explanation. However, we commend to the attention of those who are inclined to superficially consider ID to be a true "scientific" alternative to evolution without a true understanding of the concept the foregoing detailed analysis. It is our view that a reasonable, objective observer would, after reviewing both the voluminous record in this case, and our narrative, reach the inescapable conclusion that ID is an interesting theological argument, but that it is not science. Case 4:04-cv-02688-JEJ Document 342 Filed 12/20/2005 Page 90 of 139

In short, it is "Intelligent Design," not Darwin, which met it's "Waterloo" in Dover last year.
186 posted on 03/14/2006 4:16:43 PM PST by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: orionblamblam
That is so funny but it hits to close to home.
Those kids bag my groceries.
246 posted on 03/14/2006 5:21:05 PM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken.)
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To: orionblamblam

LOL, brutal.


265 posted on 03/14/2006 6:12:13 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: orionblamblam
LOL - I did get a chucle out of that one thanks. I do have a question, though. I recall many repeatable experiments from various physics classes that supported atomic structure. Please refer me to the write-ups on the myriads of repeatable experiments that support evolutionary theory in the same way.

Just to put you -a little- at ease, I was disappointed at the ignorance (intentional or otherwise) of the author. Darwin's basic theory is old hat. Even a creationist like me knows that, or should. Puntuated equilibrium has been around for a long time as well. More recently there has been discussion of (I'm guessing at the name here...) explosive adaptational change, and the observations that support the idea.

If one is going to disagree with a position one should at least understand it well enough to discuss it based on current ideas and information. Otherwise, how is one to rise above name calling and flame throwing?

412 posted on 03/15/2006 11:16:18 AM PST by 70times7 (An open mind is a cesspool of thought)
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