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To: Dyaus Pitar

They have been talking about the mythical Chinese aircraft carrier for years now. Anything they build will be a joke. A lot of fun to watch and a nice target for our SSNs, but not a threat.

Chances are it will be a variation of the Gorshkov design India has bought from Russia. Silly thing.


3 posted on 03/14/2006 1:47:28 AM PST by Ronin
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To: Ronin

Man you have a really short view of history. Does it stop for you at about 50 years ago? Military advancement is as old as civilization and even older than that.

The Chiense were the world's technological leader 1000 years ago and have the brains to get back there at some point in the not-too-distant future.

There is no immediate threat from China, but the reality is that an aircraft carrier has didly squat to do with defending a coastline. It is meant purely and simply for projecting power far away from that coastline.

It also requires a massive investment and integration of naval power. One doesn't just build an aircraft carrier, one builds a carrier group. If this happens, it is the first step in China beginning to flex its international military muscle.

If it uses that muscle to assist America in policing the world, great. If it uses it to protect rogue regimes and interfere with the the global order that is not so good.

The Chinese are neither reckless nor impatient. They see America as just another empire that will eventually fade away. When you have 5000 years of history, 230 looks like blink of an eye.


4 posted on 03/14/2006 1:52:17 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (God is such a good idea that if He didn't exist we would have to invent Him)
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To: Ronin
They have been talking about the mythical Chinese aircraft carrier for years now. Anything they build will be a joke. A lot of fun to watch and a nice target for our SSNs, but not a threat. Chances are it will be a variation of the Gorshkov design India has bought from Russia. Silly thing.

Maybe now. But what will be in 10 years? Besides - it is nothing new that the Chinese bought enough Russian Kilos with high-end European technology to blow all US-carriers out of the street of Taiwan. Their firepower is growing in a frightening speed. It could be the the pure masses of the Peoples Army that give them the weight and firepower to deal with everything in the far east. Including the US navy.

9 posted on 03/14/2006 2:08:04 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: Ronin

China already has an aircraft carrier, it bought the Varyig from the russian commies. Oh wait, it was just sitting there rusting since the chicoms couldnt figure out how to make it work, so they turned it into a hotel iirc. On a serious note, it took a Briton who invented the steam catapult to finally allow the USA to make its dominant carrier fleet of today. Point being that building a modern carrier requires the confluence of many industries and chicoms are not there yet. All this aside, carriers are actually a quickly fading asset in relation to tomorrows conflicts. We simply will not send one into the strait of hormuz out of fear of losing one. They are good and still extremely usefull, but their time is coming to an end.


23 posted on 03/14/2006 3:23:53 AM PST by son of caesar
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To: Ronin

I've seen their battleship.

34 posted on 03/14/2006 11:13:24 AM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: Ronin
Don't underestimate China. They are taking a very long term view on economic and military development.

I expect that their first aircraft carrier will be be less than formidable when compared to ours. However, they will learn much from building and deploying it, and even a relatively weak carrier gives them more ability to project power farther from their shore.

46 posted on 03/14/2006 11:46:02 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: Ronin
China has been conducting research into aircraft carrier for sometime. They really don't do anything half a..ed, so I am willing to believe it will be a supercarrier or pretty close in size and it will be designed to complement the J14 4+ fighter they are developing.

They have a lengthy history of ship building so building the super structure won't be a problem, and the catapult won't a problem either.

It will the developing the radar,EW, and Miniature Nuclear plant that will be a problem.

The complexity of aircraft carrier operation isn't a easy thing to master, it took us decades to master it and even with that we still have allot accidents.

I don't think we have to worry about a Chinese for at least a decade or so.

The motivation for building one isn't power projection it is the fact that India is coming out with them like BIGMACS.
49 posted on 03/14/2006 11:57:04 AM PST by Kuehn12 (Kuehn12)
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To: Ronin
Here are design plans for two different styles.


52 posted on 03/14/2006 12:14:18 PM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: Ronin

Military White Elephant.


62 posted on 03/14/2006 12:38:15 PM PST by Dead Dog (il)
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To: Ronin

It could also be a Russian carrier. Russia is thinking about selling a few of its old carrier hulls to China.


72 posted on 03/14/2006 4:34:08 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Ronin

Maybe they can buy that carrier the Froggie's built not too long ago.


112 posted on 03/19/2006 2:48:30 AM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Axis of Evil: Iran, N. Korea, Syria, Democrat Party & US Mainstream Media)
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