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Greenhouse theory smashed by biggest stone [meteorite, not human emissions]
PhysOrg.com ^ | 13 March 2006 | Staff

Posted on 03/13/2006 8:12:50 AM PST by PatrickHenry

A new theory to explain global warming was revealed at a meeting at the University of Leicester (UK) and is being considered for publication in the journal "Science First Hand". The controversial theory has nothing to do with burning fossil fuels and atmospheric carbon dioxide levels. According to Vladimir Shaidurov of the Russian Academy of Sciences, the apparent rise in average global temperature recorded by scientists over the last hundred years or so could be due to atmospheric changes that are not connected to human emissions of carbon dioxide from the burning of natural gas and oil.

Shaidurov explained how changes in the amount of ice crystals at high altitude could damage the layer of thin, high altitude clouds found in the mesosphere that reduce the amount of warming solar radiation reaching the earth's surface.

Shaidurov has used a detailed analysis of the mean temperature change by year for the last 140 years and explains that there was a slight decrease in temperature until the early twentieth century. This flies in the face of current global warming theories that blame a rise in temperature on rising carbon dioxide emissions since the start of the industrial revolution. Shaidurov, however, suggests that the rise, which began between 1906 and 1909, could have had a very different cause, which he believes was the massive Tunguska Event, which rocked a remote part of Siberia, northwest of Lake Baikal on the 30th June 1908.

The Tunguska Event, sometimes known as the Tungus Meteorite is thought to have resulted from an asteroid or comet entering the earth's atmosphere and exploding. The event released as much energy as fifteen one-megaton atomic bombs. As well as blasting an enormous amount of dust into the atmosphere, felling 60 million trees over an area of more than 2000 square kilometres. Shaidurov suggests that this explosion would have caused "considerable stirring of the high layers of atmosphere and change its structure." Such meteoric disruption was the trigger for the subsequent rise in global temperatures.

Global warming is thought to be caused by the "greenhouse effect". Energy from the sun reaches the earth's surface and warms it, without the greenhouse effect most of this energy is then lost as the heat radiates back into space. However, the presence of so-called greenhouse gases at high altitude absorb much of this energy and then radiate a proportion back towards the earth's surface. Causing temperatures to rise.

Many natural gases and some of those released by conventional power stations, vehicle and aircraft exhausts act as greenhouse gases. Carbon dioxide, natural gas, or methane, and chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) are all potent greenhouse gases. Carbon dioxide and methane are found naturally in the atmosphere, but it is the gradual rise in levels of these gases since the industrial revolution, and in particular the beginning of the twentieth century, that scientists have blamed for the gradual rise in recorded global temperature. Attempts to reverse global warming, such as the Kyoto Protocol, have centred on controlling and even reducing CO2 emissions.

However, the most potent greenhouse gas is water, explains Shaidurov and it is this compound on which his study focuses. According to Shaidurov, only small changes in the atmospheric levels of water, in the form of vapour and ice crystals can contribute to significant changes to the temperature of the earth's surface, which far outweighs the effects of carbon dioxide and other gases released by human activities. Just a rise of 1% of water vapour could raise the global average temperature of Earth's surface more then 4 degrees Celsius.

The role of water vapour in controlling our planet's temperature was hinted at almost 150 years ago by Irish scientist John Tyndall. Tyndall, who also provided an explanation as to why the sky is blue, explained the problem: "The strongest radiant heat absorber, is the most important gas controlling Earth's temperature. Without water vapour, he wrote, the Earth's surface would be 'held fast in the iron grip of frost'." Thin clouds at high altitude allow sunlight to reach the earth's surface, but reflect back radiated heat, acting as an insulating greenhouse layer.

Water vapour levels are even less within our control than CO levels. According to Andrew E. Dessler of the Texas A & M University writing in 'The Science and Politics of Global Climate Change', "Human activities do not control all greenhouse gases, however. The most powerful greenhouse gas in the atmosphere is water vapour, he says, "Human activities have little direct control over its atmospheric abundance, which is controlled instead by the worldwide balance between evaporation from the oceans and precipitation."

As such, Shaidurov has concluded that only an enormous natural phenomenon, such as an asteroid or comet impact or airburst, could seriously disturb atmospheric water levels, destroying persistent so-called 'silver', or noctilucent, clouds composed of ice crystals in the high altitude mesosphere (50 to 85km). The Tunguska Event was just such an event, and coincides with the period of time during which global temperatures appear to have been rising the most steadily - the twentieth century. There are many hypothetical mechanisms of how this mesosphere catastrophe might have occurred, and future research is needed to provide a definitive answer.

Source: University of Leicester


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crevolist; globalwarming; greenhouse
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To: PatrickHenry
Shaidurov, however, suggests that the rise, which began between 1906 and 1909, could have had a very different cause, which he believes was the massive Tunguska Event, which rocked a remote part of Siberia, northwest of Lake Baikal on the 30th June 1908.

From what I understand the body that triggered the event entered the atmosphere at a very shallow angle, had it not blown up I have always wondered where it would have impacted (if at all).

41 posted on 03/13/2006 10:43:31 AM PST by Mike Darancette (In the Land of the Blind the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: Sundog; PatrickHenry
It is really all the contrails of high alititude airliners injecting water vapor at a critical altitude, where it accumulates and retains more heat for the earth...

There might be something to that. There's been many days when it would be cloudless except for contrails.

42 posted on 03/13/2006 10:45:41 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: PatrickHenry

That would make high altitude atomic explosions into climate changers. I think we've done a few of those.


43 posted on 03/13/2006 11:00:21 AM PST by js1138
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To: Virginia-American

There is a correlary to that one; I have observed NOAA photographs of the oceans where the exhaust plumes of ships become a very significant cause for haze over the oceans.

Having circumnavigated the globe on a ship, I can tell you that when we reached the Mediterranean, there never was an end to the haze over the ocean. Only around the equatorial Pacific ocean was it completely gone.


44 posted on 03/13/2006 11:35:50 AM PST by Sundog (cheers)
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To: RightWingAtheist; DaveLoneRanger
More for the global warming list but very interesting and not surprising. We are only begining to understand how the climate functions.
45 posted on 03/13/2006 1:07:21 PM PST by GreenFreeper (Not blind opposition to progress, but opposition to blind progress)
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To: Poincare

So, water is a greenhouse gas? We be in big trouble.


46 posted on 03/13/2006 1:09:39 PM PST by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: gondramB

You got it backwards. Because of the greenhouse effect, greenhouses have to be well ventilated.


47 posted on 03/13/2006 1:11:30 PM PST by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: furball4paws

"You got it backwards. Because of the greenhouse effect, greenhouses have to be well ventilated."

Hmm our atmospheric dynamics professor told us that the CO2 concentrations in a green house were not nearly high enough to explain the temperature rise in green houses - that most of the warmth in a greenhouse comes from eliminating the convection that acounts for most heat exchange at ground level. I have not personally studied the numbers.


48 posted on 03/13/2006 1:15:21 PM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: Old Professer
It would only serve to encourage them as the argument could be then made that, since the water vapor is all but impossible to control that mankind's efforts to control the remaining gases need be increased to buy a few more generations a little more time.

I've already bumped into that arguement with people I've talked with. I poiunt outn that Mars and Pluto are both heating up and that solar output has increased and would be a far more logical explanation than CO2 on climate change. Their response, after point out the data supporting this is just what you said. If the sun is getting warmer (i.e. global warming is a NATURAL, phenomenon), they then insist that stopping greenhouse gas emissions is even more critical since we don't want to make a bad situation worse. No matter what you say, it's alsways Humanity's (i.e. Bush's Fault).

49 posted on 03/13/2006 1:18:07 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: PatrickHenry
"This -- if it proves out -- should throw the environmentalists into a tizzy."

"fraid not. They have been expert at avoiding the ample evidence to the contrary of their pet hypothesis for years and will continue to ignore this and any other evidence which won't force us to shiver in our huts with Prius' parked outside.

50 posted on 03/13/2006 1:43:24 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: txflake

You are right, of course. But like I tell my wife, "It just doesn't feel quite right, now that we got here to try and stop everyone else from coming." Most people try to stay somewhat close to the mainfreeways anyway, so if a guy doesn't mind driving longer and dodging deer, it's not so bad.


51 posted on 03/13/2006 1:47:25 PM PST by 05 Mustang GT Rocks
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To: PatrickHenry

...And plug all volcanoes!


52 posted on 03/13/2006 2:20:46 PM PST by onedoug
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To: PatrickHenry
However, the most potent greenhouse gas is water, explains Shaidurov and it is this compound on which his study focuses. According to Shaidurov, only small changes in the atmospheric levels of water, in the form of vapour and ice crystals can contribute to significant changes to the temperature of the earth's surface, which far outweighs the effects of carbon dioxide and other gases released by human activities. Just a rise of 1% of water vapour could raise the global average temperature of Earth's surface more then 4 degrees Celsius.

It would be unwise to be too dogmatic about this. Water has a dual effect--it can raise the temperature by the greenhouse effect and the clouds formed can lower the temperature by increasing the earth's albedo and reflecting more incoming light back into space. He must have considered this in his calculations, but once again the coverage doesn't mention such an obvious detail!

53 posted on 03/13/2006 7:00:54 PM PST by ahayes
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To: PatrickHenry

But I have been assured that Karl Rove Controls The Weather.


54 posted on 03/14/2006 3:36:57 PM PST by pogo101
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To: PatrickHenry

BTTT


55 posted on 03/14/2006 3:43:19 PM PST by aculeus
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To: beezdotcom

Small comets phenomena is amazing (I thought of it while reading the web feed from GreenieWatch-then to see another smart Freeper mention it-cool.) Anyways I read the book on the "snowball comets" in the early 1990s. More evidence of the 'divine design' of the universe and how God purposely planned a home for the crown of his creation - us.

"The Privileged Planet" is a very high quality documentary showing evidence that the Earth is uniquely suited for carbon-based life AND scientific discovery.

http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=2170&program=CSC%20-%20Video%20and%20Curriculum%20-%20Multimedia


56 posted on 03/14/2006 3:48:26 PM PST by enviros_kill
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To: enviros_kill

Marked for later


57 posted on 03/14/2006 4:05:11 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: All

This link has been pulled. Guess they didn't want contrary opinions getting in the way of their funding.


58 posted on 03/17/2006 7:23:50 AM PST by texan75010
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59 posted on 03/22/2006 12:03:48 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: freepatriot32

BTTT


60 posted on 03/22/2006 2:58:51 AM PST by E.G.C.
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