Posted on 03/12/2006 7:51:11 PM PST by bayourant
Did Race play a role in the Port Deal discussions? The very charge is met by the likes of Sean Hannity and others with Righteous Indigination. In fact, to mention it makes you the true problem. Mark Levin in fact called a MAjor General a dirtbag over that charge. The below cartoons may be an issue now in the UAE. They are not cartoons about that ole darn prophet however. THere will be no boycotts over these but remember still they dont help things. The cartoonist just give us what we want sometimes. From MSNBC the following cartoon. There were many others that through the glory of the net are available to all.
"That is an ironic statement, because in the very third link Dervish posted is the following quote from a Saudi Mufti..."
Let's look at that third link:
No he is not a Mufti, he is not preaching in a Mosque - "Sa'ad Al-Sowayan, a reformist Saudi researcher and columnist"
And the second word below says "UBIQUITOUS." Now we all know that means - all over the place. On the whole I would say 'the final gentleman' had it more right than you. The preaching of Jihad is all over. The criticism is a lone secular voice.
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Religious Cassettes Promoting Jihad
"So ubiquitous are the religious cassette shops that they are outnumbered only by groceries… The bulk of cassettes sold in these stalls are motivational. On closer scrutiny, you will realize that their contents are confined to a system of thought that serves to prepare youth to accept its ideas, yield to them, and adopt its Jihad program.
"These cassettes mostly urge people to carry out Jihad through taking up arms, without specifying the zero hour or the Jihad battlefield. As such they advocate Jihad for Jihad's sake. It's a mobilization campaign in which Jihad becomes a state of mind, a mode of living. They want you to give up this foul and mean earthly life, renounce worldly pleasures, devote your life to Jihad, and seek to die in the Jihad battlefield so as to win martyrdom."
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=subjects&Area=jihad&ID=SP103205
That is A LOT different than "Al Qaeda is allowed to preach in all the SA Mosques." In fact, the two statements say entirely different things. In one you very clearly claim terrorists are allowed to preach in SA mosques. In the other you say Imams are allowed to shill for Al Qaeda. If you really meant your second statement, than you again run into problems with your grievance as it is a Western problem as well as an Arab problem. Richard Reid learned his hatred from Imams preaching in British mosques. So did Zacharias Moussawi.
"and have shown in numerous links"
Sigh. Here we go again. You forget that I actually read your links. Of all your links, only the second to last concerns a Saudi religious cleric who justifies Jihad against Jews and non-Muslims. His statements were widely condemned by Saudi religious authorities, and just as widely repeated across the internet to "prove" the point you are trying to make. But he is one man. Using his comments to claim "Imams shill for Al Qaeda in all the SA Mosques" is similar to saying Jim Baker speaks for all Christians.
"you are showing willful blindness in your defense of Saudi Arabia."
No. I am insisting on basing a discussion on fact versus fantasy.
"Why? Are you in the oil business?"
Nope. Not even close. I've spent the last 21 years serving in the active duty military and National Guard, and now also fly for FedEx.
"And you did not answer my question - do you follow Arabs in their own langauge?"
Yes. I reference MEMRI often. But you do realize that MEMRI is selective in what it chooses to translate. Its president is a former Israeli army colonel. I like what they do, but I'm not unaware that they practice a degree of bias. Again, it is important to me to know as much as I can about a subject. Not just accept bits of info from a few sources.
I posted a quote from Saudi Sheikh Abd Al-Muhsin Al-Abikan. But you are correct. He isn't a Mufti. He is an adviser to the Saudi Justice Ministry, a leading state cleric and member of the Saudi Shura Council.
"And the second word below says "UBIQUITOUS." "
I'm not sure how cassettes urging Jihad being sold all over Saudi Arabia support either your point (concerning Al Qaeda preaching in Mosques) or the final gentleman's point (concerning a lack of condemnation of Jihad from Saudi religious authorities). There is no indication of who distributes these cassettes. They certainly aren't endorsed by Saudi Arabia's leading Muslim authority. I refer you back to your third source. In it, the Saudi Mufti (this time I am sure he is the mufti) says "It is forbidden to encourage youth to go to Iraq on the pretext of Jihad, since this constitutes a violation of [the principle of] obedience to the ruler and to one's parents. This is a deviation from the community of the believers and is [an instance of] non-reliance on those who are knowledgeable in this matter." Doesn't sound like he's preaching Jihad to me.
And it WAS about race, to the degree that it's a reality that while not all Muslims are terrorists, almost all terrorists are Muslims. THAT'S A FACT. I choose to face that fact.
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