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To: Rokke; the final gentleman

"That is an ironic statement, because in the very third link Dervish posted is the following quote from a Saudi Mufti..."

Let's look at that third link:

No he is not a Mufti, he is not preaching in a Mosque - "Sa'ad Al-Sowayan, a reformist Saudi researcher and columnist"

And the second word below says "UBIQUITOUS." Now we all know that means - all over the place. On the whole I would say 'the final gentleman' had it more right than you. The preaching of Jihad is all over. The criticism is a lone secular voice.

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Religious Cassettes Promoting Jihad

"So ubiquitous are the religious cassette shops that they are outnumbered only by groceries… The bulk of cassettes sold in these stalls are motivational. On closer scrutiny, you will realize that their contents are confined to a system of thought that serves to prepare youth to accept its ideas, yield to them, and adopt its Jihad program.


"These cassettes mostly urge people to carry out Jihad through taking up arms, without specifying the zero hour or the Jihad battlefield. As such they advocate Jihad for Jihad's sake. It's a mobilization campaign in which Jihad becomes a state of mind, a mode of living. They want you to give up this foul and mean earthly life, renounce worldly pleasures, devote your life to Jihad, and seek to die in the Jihad battlefield so as to win martyrdom."

http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=subjects&Area=jihad&ID=SP103205


1,121 posted on 03/16/2006 10:42:09 PM PST by dervish ("And what are we becoming? The civilization of melted butter?")
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To: dervish; the final gentleman
"No he is not a Mufti,"

I posted a quote from Saudi Sheikh Abd Al-Muhsin Al-Abikan. But you are correct. He isn't a Mufti. He is an adviser to the Saudi Justice Ministry, a leading state cleric and member of the Saudi Shura Council.

"And the second word below says "UBIQUITOUS." "

I'm not sure how cassettes urging Jihad being sold all over Saudi Arabia support either your point (concerning Al Qaeda preaching in Mosques) or the final gentleman's point (concerning a lack of condemnation of Jihad from Saudi religious authorities). There is no indication of who distributes these cassettes. They certainly aren't endorsed by Saudi Arabia's leading Muslim authority. I refer you back to your third source. In it, the Saudi Mufti (this time I am sure he is the mufti) says "It is forbidden to encourage youth to go to Iraq on the pretext of Jihad, since this constitutes a violation of [the principle of] obedience to the ruler and to one's parents. This is a deviation from the community of the believers and is [an instance of] non-reliance on those who are knowledgeable in this matter." Doesn't sound like he's preaching Jihad to me.

1,123 posted on 03/17/2006 12:09:23 AM PST by Rokke
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