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Media shockingly ignorant of Muslims among us (Steyn)
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 03/12/06 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 03/12/2006 5:57:00 AM PST by aynrandfreak

This week's Voldemort Award goes to the New York Times for their account of a curious case of road rage in North Carolina:

"The man charged with nine counts of attempted murder for driving a Jeep through a crowd at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill last Friday told the police that he deliberately rented a four-wheel-drive vehicle so he could 'run over things and keep going.' "

The driver in question was Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar.

Whoa, don't jump to conclusions. The Times certainly didn't. As the report continued:

"According to statements taken by the police, Mr. Taheri-azar, 22, an Iranian-born graduate of the university, felt that the United States government had been 'killing his people across the sea' and that his actions reflected 'an eye for an eye.'"

"His people"? And who exactly would that be? Taheri-azar is admirably upfront about his actions. As he told police, he wanted to "avenge the deaths or murders of Muslims around the world."

And yet the M-word appears nowhere in the Times report. Whether intentionally or not, they seem to be channeling the great Sufi theologian and jurist al-Ghazali, who died a millennium ago but whose first rule on the conduct of dhimmis -- non-Muslims in Muslim society -- seem to have been taken on board by the Western media:

The dhimmi is obliged not to mention Allah or His Apostle. . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at suntimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous; US: North Carolina; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: culturalsuicide; islamofascism; marksteyn; msm; muslims; nothermterrorist; steyn; taheriazar; uncch; west
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To: finnigan2
" Dhimmies for dummies?? I'm so confused. Any muzzys out there help out with this??"

- I'm assuming your question is a serious one........


I'm sorry but I was trying to be funny.
However, on a serious note, I found 'Jihad' by Paul Fregosi, Prometheus Books, 1998 to be informative.
41 posted on 03/12/2006 7:36:30 AM PST by Shooter1001
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To: aynrandfreak

Great piece. Too bad you felt the need to excerpt it.


42 posted on 03/12/2006 7:36:56 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
We'd have to see the entire poll, including all the questions, to see what it is 54% believe or don't believe about Islam.

Do you have access to it?

43 posted on 03/12/2006 7:38:03 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: finnigan2
In reality, it means that non believers are tolerated and left alone as long as they pay a special tax levy, do not carry bibles in public, do not mention their religion to Muslims (this is considered preaching), do not build churches where they can gather to worship and confine their religious services to their private homes. Violations of any of these rules meet with varying degrees of penalty, from imprisonment to death.

So, what would be wrong about treating all Muslims in the U.S. the same way Dhimmis are treated in Islamist countries? It would sure help keep 'em under control!

Applying the same rules is only fair, right?

< /rhetorical >

44 posted on 03/12/2006 7:38:43 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: muawiyah

"He needs to be medicated."

No, he needs to be prosecuted, convicted, made to serve many years in prison for attempted murder -- if he's been looking for a cell, here's the answer -- and then deported forthwith.


45 posted on 03/12/2006 7:39:14 AM PST by Clioman
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To: Question_Assumptions
While 40% of UK Muslims want Sharia and 20% admitted sypathy with 7/7, it's important to remember that plenty of Muslims don't agree with them

You are posting that 60 percent of muslims advocate violence, since Sharia law IS violent and requires the killing of anyone who does not convert, but at the same time you are saying this is no cause for Brits to worry!

It doesn't matter if you "believe" that islam requires all non believers to covert or die, it is the truth. You can't change the truth by not believing it, though many left wing dummies think they can.

If 60 percent of muslims(in UK) think killing non muslims is a good thing, then there is a HUGE problem there for the Brits. Your reasoning is faulty and in line with the NY times.

46 posted on 03/12/2006 7:39:56 AM PST by calex59 (seeing the light shouldn't make you go blind and, BTW, Stå sammen med danskerne !)
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To: Clioman
You don't understand ~ he doesn't want to go back to what he's been led to believe will be certain death in a thermonuclear catastrophe.

That's why he has to be medicated. Otherwise he won't agree to deportation.

47 posted on 03/12/2006 7:41:10 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Question_Assumptions
[ Even if killing and subjugating infidels is integral to Islam for the sake of argument (I'm not convinced it has to be or is), it does not follow that every Muslim wants to kill or subjugate infidels. ]

Not every muslim wants to bomb the infidels only the good muslims do according to Qu'ranic and hadithic teachings(dogma)..

The rest or bad muslims are simply TIME BOMBS or enablers..

48 posted on 03/12/2006 7:43:30 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: aynrandfreak
On CBS' Sunday Morning, a Muslim was interviewed who said he has been questioned by the FBI three times since 9/11, on whether or not he knew any terrorists. He said this "loss of civil rights" had made him and fellow Muslims determined to show "the good side of Islam." Fine, but no mention of making any effort to weed out the bad apples, and no such question came forth from the interviewer, of course.
49 posted on 03/12/2006 7:46:10 AM PST by FlyVet (Inherit the desolate heritages.)
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To: muawiyah

"Most Moslems are of the impression that most of the people who claim to be Moslems are either hypocrites or apostates."

Could you give a source on that so we can see what it means?


50 posted on 03/12/2006 7:46:54 AM PST by RouxStir (Mohammed is THE BOMB!)
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To: goldstategop

Relion of peace ™ (alt+0153)


51 posted on 03/12/2006 7:48:48 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Shooter1001

For a scary look at Islam, try "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades" by Robert Spencer. He spells it out clearly.


52 posted on 03/12/2006 7:53:40 AM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: aynrandfreak

And none dare call it terrorism.


53 posted on 03/12/2006 8:02:04 AM PST by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: Question_Assumptions

You sure don't know much about Islam, do you.
ALL (read ALL) Muslims are bound to practice Jihad. You don't have to go out and kill infidels to practice jihad, it has many forms. Anything to forward the cause of Islam in the Infidels lands is Jihad. Political activities- using the infidels own laws to advance Islamic "rights" in their lands, becoming educators, brainwash the infidel's youth. providing support for more agresive Jihadists, a safe house for them to stay, providing funds, ANYTHING you can imagine which will one day make Islam triumph in the land of infidels. many Muslims believe the time is not right for the more agressive jihad. Another hundred years and many western countries will be under the political control of Muslim politicians anyways, without a shot fired.


54 posted on 03/12/2006 8:04:04 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: RouxStir

I'm used to the cold. The remote thing goes both ways.


55 posted on 03/12/2006 8:11:03 AM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: Paulus Invictus
The following is a description (slightly modified) from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat. www.frontline.org.za/books_videos/sti.htm

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness.

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs [Europe, Australia, USA and Japan]. Six percent of US prison inmates are Muslim. Like any other minority, they won’t integrate, but work to build their own separate community.

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. South Africa's Muslim population is 2%, but they control 35% of the businesses, a large percentage of the banks and have five Cabinet seats while Christians (77% of the population) have none.

They will push for the introduction of halaal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves (along with threats for failure to comply).

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia; Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world, but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. (Ei: car-burnings in France last October.) Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats.

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning (India, Mindanao, Philippines).

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, s, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare [Indonesia].

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya (infidel tax). (Sudan, Kosovo, Lebanon and Egypt).

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide [Western Papua (New Guinea), Iran, Biafra, Turkey and North Nigeria].

100% will usher in the peace of "Dar-es-Salaam" - House of Peace - as in Saudi Arabia, Libya and Yemen.

56 posted on 03/12/2006 8:12:14 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: muawiyah
I'd assume that it's divided between support, and some third option that's more ambiguous, but you're right, I would have to see the survey for myself.

There was a poll that gaged New Yorkers' opinions on Islam a few years ago, and over a third of the residents of this state felt that interning Muslims-in response to further terrorist attacks-wasn't entirely out of the question.

My only point was that if large swaths of the American public is willing to enact an American version of the Benes decrees, and/or reprise the sordid history of Nisei Americans during WWII, then I would imagine that a much less divisive question, e.g. do you dislike Islam, would yield many more supporters.

57 posted on 03/12/2006 8:17:25 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: aynrandfreak

Could this be because most of the people in the media are ignorant?


58 posted on 03/12/2006 8:19:53 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: RouxStir

...and a bit (hugh understatement), windy all year. See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1594895/posts


59 posted on 03/12/2006 8:23:01 AM PST by wita
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To: 1rudeboy

I thought the Sun Times was one of the papers that we had to excerpt.


60 posted on 03/12/2006 8:29:20 AM PST by aynrandfreak ((insert variable here) angers Muslims.)
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