Posted on 03/11/2006 6:15:53 AM PST by Dark Skies
A translation of this Jyllands Posten article, "The Quran reported to the Police" is here, with thanks to all who sent this in.
A broad alliance of grass-roots movements have gone to the prosecutors of several states to hinder the dissemination of the Quran. According to the indictment, the Quran is not just a religious and historic book, but also a political book, which is incompatible with the constiution.
At the prosecutor’s office at Gorch-Forck-Wall 15 in Hamburg, an unusual letter was received Monday morning, containing an indictment filed this weekend. The indictment targeted the Quran, charging that the holy book of the Moslems, according to the accuser, is incompatible with the German constitution.
The accuser is “Bundesverband der Bürgerbewegungen (BVB)”, which concerns itself with, in its own words, “defending basic rights and freedoms” against Islam. The extensive international furore, allegedly caused by the Muhammed cartoons, has made clear the relevancy of the alliance. Its homepage is decorated with a Danish flag with the words “Support Denmark! Defend the Free World.” superimposed on it.
The indictment has been filed in several states, including Hamburg, Niedersachsen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Bayern and probably more.
In several talkshows on German TV, conservative politicians have pointed out that the Quran is incompatible with the German constitution. The Turkish-born writer Serap Cileli said on January 29 this year that “the Quran must be considered a historic document. It is not compatible with our constitution and Human Rights.”
Now the alliance wants the matter tried at the courts.
Potent Political Book
The author of the indictment in Hamburg, Jutta Starke, says that the Quran was reported to the police two or three years ago, but that the report was dismissed on the grounds that it was a book of only historical interest.
“The events of the last months have made clear that the Quran isn’t just a historical book, but very much a potent political book, a thing which we document extensively in the indictment,” Jutta Starke says.
She says it is a task of sisyphean dimensions to inform the media, politicians and churches of the true intentions of Islam in the enlightened world of the West.
“We are grateful to Jyllands-Posten that discussions about Islam have now become possible,” says Jutta Starke....
The apostate Swiss who now wants to establish sharia? May all the sand lice in the Empty Quarter nest in his jockey shorts. May the fleas of of 10,000 stinking camels find a home in every orfice of his scum-sucking body. May he and Cat Stevens both roast over a slow-burning fire.
The Quran and its companion the Hadith are handbooks for the commission of murder and mayhem in the name of religion. It is a constitution for the establishment of a despotism so wicked and vile as to make warm the heart of Big Brother.
You are forgetting one thing. For the Muslim there is no separation of church and state. Religion is the state. How on earth could a group holding such an ideology be compatible with modern society? The Quran and its companion the Hadith are handbooks for the commission of murder and mayhem in the name of religion. It is a constitution for the establishment of a despotism so wicked and vile as to make warm the heart of Big Brother.
That's a very good point.
Also, most people don't understand the intellect-respecting nature of the Judeo-Christian Scriptures, as compared to the intrinsically closed nature of the Qu'ran.
What I have in mind here is the gradual, insight-by-insight and step-by-step nature of Biblical revelation, based on the extraordinary depth of God's respect for human freedom. You can see this clearly if you compare the Bible to the Koran. The differences --- they are fascinating--- point to the uniqueness of the Judeo-Christian interaction between Divine truth and human intellect.
According to Islamic historians, Mohammad repeatedly went into a trance state and started reciting he-knew-not-what. He became a ventriloquist's-dummy, possessed or coercively controlled by a spiritual entity who dictates, dictates, dictates. Each and every separate phrase in it is held to be unalterable, even technically un-translatable (because Allah spoke Arabic!) and true like a snapshot, that is, complete in itself.
The Bible, by contrast, was written by 40+ human authors over a span of 1,000 years, on three continents (Europe, Asia, and Africa) in three languages (Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek), in the words of the authors themselves ("The Word of God in the Words of Man").
This was based not on puppet-like possession and ventriloquism, but on a quirkier, more interactive thing called “inspiration,” employing the human writers' own intelligence, vocabulary, memory, imagination, cultural resources, and individual personalities. It's held to be true, but not in the manner of a series of snapshots-from-heaven, but in the manner of a movie. It tells a story which progresses.
Read the Koran. You'll find it lacking in thematic or narrative coherence. It has a garbled, fragmentary feel. On the other hand, the books of the Bible --- which you might expect to be a bit choppy, considering their scattered provenance --- paradoxically, start from multifaceted points of view, and develop inexorably toward the same culminating truths.
But note the different deities’ stance on human freedom. One crushes it. The other develops it. One says “Submit.” The other says “Look. Listen. Think.”
Here's an interesting note: the typical Islamic stance toward the Koran is rote memorization. The Typical Jewish stance toward the Torah is commentary ("Talmud.") The word "Muslim" means "one who has submitted." The word "Israel" means, literally, "one who wrestles with God."
How does this apply specifically to moral guidance? To put it briefly, with the Bible you have to look at the whole of Salvation History --- the whole "movie" --- to grasp its meaning and properly interpret its parts. The old and reliable principle of exegesis is, "Let Scripture interpret Scripture" --- in other words, let the clearer or later parts govern the interpretation of earlier or more obscure parts.
Furthermore, Christians would insist that the New Testament is the interpretive key to the Old Testament. And the Church (which Christ said would be guided by the Holy Spirit) is the key to the New Testament.
As a 2006 A.D. Christian, I rely on two millennia's worth of wrestling and commentary since the beginning of the Church. A lot of things have become clear because of this tremendous and brilliant resource of thinking-with-the-Church. This makes sense to me.
Excellent point!!!!!
They should probably say, "Dang. You finally figuered us out."
I don't ask that you abstain from using pejorative words for bloody-handed fanatics. I only ask you not to call them "fundamentalists." It tends to give thousands of innocent, peaceful fundamentalists (i.e. normal religious folk like your practicing Jewish and Christian neighbors--- and others --- ) a bad name.
Why outlaw a book, the Quran? Should outlaw the following of it (death to all infidels....gobbly gook, and so forth...). Islam should be outlawed. It's a criminal organization of repression! Free Europe of Islamic repression NOW! Islam is as bad as bras!
If they leave Germany where would they go? France? The US? Hopefully back to their country of origin.
Well one can certainly not completely exclude a scenario like this one but I´m still reasonable confident. After this "cartoon-incident" people here discuss now why this religion should have to dictate us anything in Europe and that will have - hopefully - consequences. I`am just fed up
seeing smirking islamistic terror suspects exploiting our liberal justice system or living of our social welfare system. And even if this action might end up as some sort of a publicity stunt it will wake up some more people.
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So doesAsk The Imam
OK, name that place. Name that time.
Islam has been 14 centuries of warfare, everywhere it has been, or wanted to go. You, my friend, are attempting to place a rational western construct upon an irrational and destructive force, antithetical to any western thought, except perhaps to extract from it useful objects.
Yes there have been brief respites, when everyone in a conquered area was converted, enslaved, killed, or in dhimmitude.
There never was, and never will be, a "Pax Islamica."
hrmn...
Well, when 'whatever you call them' are collectively promoting a cause which is dangerous to Constitutional society or detrimental to the religious traditions they claim to be preserving, -- it's hard to find a non-pejorative term for them, imo.
I don't ask that you abstain from using pejorative words for bloody-handed fanatics.
I only ask you not to call them "fundamentalists."
I'm not insisting. I merely posted a link to what I considered a clarification of the issue.
It tends to give thousands of innocent, peaceful fundamentalists (i.e. normal religious folk like your practicing Jewish and Christian neighbors--- and others --- ) a bad name.
We aren't discussing normal 'fundamentalists' here. -- 'Radicals' differ from normal people. - Any term we use will sound pejorative to someone.
-- For instance, I happen to be a fundamentalist on our US Constitution.
If someone finds that stance 'radical', - tough.
/sarcasm
"Yeah, outlaw the Koran, that's enforceable..."
Can you read?
'The decisive count of the indictment “is in the Quran’s status vis a vis the Federal Republic of Germany’s constitution”. In the appendices to the indictment, 200 points have been listed “where the Quran is against and claims itself above the constitution.”'
They can keep what's left after they take out the 200 points, I guess. I don't think the intention is to ban the entire book, there will still be a few pages left over - like the parts where the Sun sinks in a muddy pond and camel urine being a medical sure-all.
It'll fly like a lead balloon.
Incidentally, boiled urine of any kind makes a pretty good antiseptic. Apply topically, not internally. ;-)
Good for you! Really! I'd include the Declaration of Independence in there, too. Seems self-evident to me.
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