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Germany to outlaw the Qur'an? (interesting development)
Jihadwatch.org (Dhimmiwatch) ^ | 3/11/2006 | Rebecca Bynum

Posted on 03/11/2006 6:15:53 AM PST by Dark Skies

A translation of this Jyllands Posten article, "The Quran reported to the Police" is here, with thanks to all who sent this in.

A broad alliance of grass-roots movements have gone to the prosecutors of several states to hinder the dissemination of the Quran. According to the indictment, the Quran is not just a religious and historic book, but also a political book, which is incompatible with the constiution.

At the prosecutor’s office at Gorch-Forck-Wall 15 in Hamburg, an unusual letter was received Monday morning, containing an indictment filed this weekend. The indictment targeted the Quran, charging that the holy book of the Moslems, according to the accuser, is incompatible with the German constitution.

The accuser is “Bundesverband der Bürgerbewegungen (BVB)”, which concerns itself with, in its own words, “defending basic rights and freedoms” against Islam. The extensive international furore, allegedly caused by the Muhammed cartoons, has made clear the relevancy of the alliance. Its homepage is decorated with a Danish flag with the words “Support Denmark! Defend the Free World.” superimposed on it.

The indictment has been filed in several states, including Hamburg, Niedersachsen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Bayern and probably more.

In several talkshows on German TV, conservative politicians have pointed out that the Quran is incompatible with the German constitution. The Turkish-born writer Serap Cileli said on January 29 this year that “the Quran must be considered a historic document. It is not compatible with our constitution and Human Rights.”

Now the alliance wants the matter tried at the courts.

Potent Political Book

The author of the indictment in Hamburg, Jutta Starke, says that the Quran was reported to the police two or three years ago, but that the report was dismissed on the grounds that it was a book of only historical interest.

“The events of the last months have made clear that the Quran isn’t just a historical book, but very much a potent political book, a thing which we document extensively in the indictment,” Jutta Starke says.

She says it is a task of sisyphean dimensions to inform the media, politicians and churches of the true intentions of Islam in the enlightened world of the West.

“We are grateful to Jyllands-Posten that discussions about Islam have now become possible,” says Jutta Starke....



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: banitheretooplease; germany; infiltration; jihad; koran; muslims; quran
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To: GladesGuru

That's a great tag - and true.


41 posted on 03/11/2006 7:51:36 AM PST by steel_resolve (Who's up for an animated contest of freedom?)
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To: Dark Skies

Excellent! Way to go Tootonics!


42 posted on 03/11/2006 7:51:45 AM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Dark Skies

The AGORA takes the discussion a bit
further!

http://agora.blogsome.com/2006/03/08/the-quran-reported-to-the-police/


43 posted on 03/11/2006 7:53:09 AM PST by Grendel9 (u ()
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

bttt


44 posted on 03/11/2006 7:53:10 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: USF
Mein Kampf is banned in Germany and the Koran is the Muhammedan Mein Kampf
45 posted on 03/11/2006 7:54:09 AM PST by dennisw (Muslim's biggest enemy is the founder of Islam, Muhammad. Muslims are victims of this conman-)
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To: Grendel9

Thx, Grendel9!


46 posted on 03/11/2006 7:55:01 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies

If their Koran were banned would all the Muslim welfare bums and cheats leave Germany or would it be a higher priority to sponge off the German people?


47 posted on 03/11/2006 7:56:04 AM PST by dennisw (Muslim's biggest enemy is the founder of Islam, Muhammad. Muslims are victims of this conman-)
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To: takenoprisoner

Religions can change and their votaries are not monolithic. Islam has not in all places and at all times been violent. The same argument about the Catholic Church being incompatible with freedoms was made by Locke and Voltaire and the French Revolutionaries to exclude Catholics from religious toleration.


48 posted on 03/11/2006 7:56:57 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: junta

You don't like Islam?

Bigot! Islamophobe!

/bot


49 posted on 03/11/2006 7:57:34 AM PST by Sometimes A River (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46031)
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To: dennisw
If their Koran were banned would all the Muslim welfare bums and cheats leave Germany or would it be a higher priority to sponge off the German people?

This would be a great item for inclusion in Angela's plan for economic recovery. Getting rid of the muslims means a big drop in unemployment and a steep decline in welfare payments.

50 posted on 03/11/2006 7:59:09 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies

My son keeps saying that he is watching history repeat itself over there. Seems the Turks and Germans don't get along very well.


51 posted on 03/11/2006 8:01:31 AM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

Actually, they appear to accord it even less respect. In Germany, it is illegal to advocate Nazism. Either Germany has to claim that the Quran is not to be taken seriously or they have to acknowledge that Mohammedism is above the law.


52 posted on 03/11/2006 8:02:11 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: skraut
Man they have plans to sit in the seats of the highest government offices in Germany. Of course they would have to either disband or heavily infiltrate the German military to do it. That may not be far fetched as the European birth rates are dropping and the Muslim immigrants flooding into Europe. The Germans would have to encourage Muslims to join the military in order to maintain a strong military.

Since the majority of German civilians do not have weapons in their homes it would be easy for a majority population to take over the country. Could also happen in other European countries and the US.
53 posted on 03/11/2006 8:05:28 AM PST by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
What's interesting is that Islam has identified a way for any movement to exploit Western religious protections.

It doesn't take much imagination to see future Hitlers/Tojos (a) form (or take over) a small religious organization, (b) cast themselves as 'victims' of larger societal mores, and (c) work towards corrupting the very constition that provides them said protections.

How will any society deal with such organizations? McVeigh, et al wast just 10 years before his time. Future terrorists are taking note.

54 posted on 03/11/2006 8:06:07 AM PST by lemura
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To: lemura
It doesn't take much imagination to see future Hitlers/Tojos (a) form (or take over) a small religious organization, (b) cast themselves as 'victims' of larger societal mores, and (c) work towards corrupting the very constition that provides them said protections.

Excellent point!

55 posted on 03/11/2006 8:07:45 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies
This would be a great item for inclusion in Angela's plan for economic recovery. Getting rid of the muslims means a big drop in unemployment and a steep decline in welfare payments.

From what I see Muslims have larger families in Europe than in their homelands which have problems of infant mortality etc. They have larger families because the insanely generous Europe welfare systems pay the way for their children. Thus the Europeans are paying for the Muslim hijacking of Europe plus native European birthrates are pathetic. The French are so stupid, their welfare is paying for polygamous families with one man at the top and twenty or more children that sleep in shifts due to lack of space.
56 posted on 03/11/2006 8:10:35 AM PST by dennisw (Muslim's biggest enemy is the founder of Islam, Muhammad. Muslims are victims of this conman-)
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To: Capt. Tom

They can't deal with the fact that the western world has proved Islam to be a murderous sham. They're consumed with envy and hatred. Nobody likes being duped. One Arab said about a year ago...on Al Jazeera...that it was obvious the West hadn't suddenly invented computers. The West had stolen the idea from Arabs. Like the Russians, Arabs have invented everything, including the wheel.


57 posted on 03/11/2006 8:10:52 AM PST by hershey
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To: Dark Skies

[I've gotta run out ,...*door slam*!] bookmk ping on #5


58 posted on 03/11/2006 8:11:25 AM PST by Dad yer funny
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To: Dark Skies
In the Bible, "Caesar" is given authority in the affairs of men. Therefore, the Bible is compatible with political documents such as our Constitution as well as the concept of "freedom".

As this article points out, the Koran is not - and they are starting to realize that in Germany.

If you are Muslim, you either swear your first allegiance to the theological, cultural, legal and political bounds of the Koran or you are an apostate. The Koran is incompatible with any Constitution which departs from it's teachings, even in the slightest. That is why Islam is, and should be, considered a subversive movement in America as well.

59 posted on 03/11/2006 8:12:03 AM PST by Gritty (The laws of God, Sharia, are already made and thus no legislative power is needed- Ayyub Axel Köhler)
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To: dennisw

"Kamph" is a pretty close translation of "jihad."


60 posted on 03/11/2006 8:13:13 AM PST by Poincare
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