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To: Potowmack

It's hurts evolutionist's credibility.

If evolutionists could be wrong about this. What might they also be wrong about?

Is the fossil record so sparse that this creature could survive for 11 million years without a trace? And if so, what other creatures were alive before or after their alleged dates giving by evolutionists?

Were the fossils of this creature assigned the wrong dates? Were evolutionists looking at fossils that were only a few hundred or thousand years old, and thinking because it is an extinct creature, that the fossils were much older than they are?

Was this creature used to date the strata and other fossils like like the Coelanthe was? How many other fossils are assumed to be 11 million years old because they were found in the same strata as a rat squirrel?

And did anybody ever go back and revisit the justification for dates for stata or fossils that were dated based on the Coelanthe? Does anybody even remember how many dates could be affected?

That's part of the problem that we have with the whole story that evo's keep pushing. How much of it is based on science? Is that science good or bad science? How much is based on assumptions and evolutionary bias? How much is based on false assumptions like rat skirrels being extinct?

We don't know but we suspect A LOT!!!

It's not the death knell. God showing up today with a video tape of just how he created the creatures, which ones were created unique and which ones were the result of natural selection of genetic potential in the originals, where the mistakes in our science are, and answering all of the evolutionist's objections wouldn't be the death knell of evolution.

Because tomorrow some evo is going to print a story about how mentally retarded palm walking Turkish people are proof that man evolved from apes.


50 posted on 03/09/2006 3:45:02 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
Was this creature used to date the strata and other fossils like like the Coelanthe was? How many other fossils are assumed to be 11 million years old because they were found in the same strata as a rat squirrel?

And did anybody ever go back and revisit the justification for dates for stata or fossils that were dated based on the Coelanthe? Does anybody even remember how many dates could be affected?

I think you're woefully mixed up about the coelacanth, Danny.

54 posted on 03/09/2006 3:49:34 PM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Life and Solitude in Easter Island by Verdugo-Binimelis)
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To: DannyTN
If evolutionists could be wrong about this. What might they also be wrong about?

What, if anything, did the continued existence of this species have to do with the TOE?

Is the fossil record so sparse that this creature could survive for 11 million years without a trace? And if so, what other creatures were alive before or after their alleged dates giving by evolutionists?

Dunno. What, if anything, does this have to do with the TOE?

Were the fossils of this creature assigned the wrong dates? Were evolutionists looking at fossils that were only a few hundred or thousand years old, and thinking because it is an extinct creature, that the fossils were much older than they are?

None of the above. This species lives in an isolated part of the world where few scientists have ever gone. Maybe, in the past, it was more wide-ranging.

Was this creature used to date the strata and other fossils like like the Coelanthe was? How many other fossils are assumed to be 11 million years old because they were found in the same strata as a rat squirrel?

What makes you conclude that the fossils of this species that scientists have concluded are 11 million years old are actually newer?

And did anybody ever go back and revisit the justification for dates for stata or fossils that were dated based on the Coelanthe? Does anybody even remember how many dates could be affected?

What makes you think the old coelcanth fossils were not, in fact, as old as scientists think they are?

57 posted on 03/09/2006 3:51:30 PM PST by Potowmack ("Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government")
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To: DannyTN; Potowmack; jennyp
It's hurts evolutionist's credibility.

ROFL! No it doesn't, except in the way that to you, a truck passing by on the road is sufficient excuse to claim further damage to evolutionists' credibility...

If evolutionists could be wrong about this. What might they also be wrong about?

That cuts both ways -- creationists were wrong about this too. Does that hurt *their* credibility? Give it a rest.

Look, when the most recent fossil of a species is from 11 million years ago, and no specimens had come to the attention of taxonomists in the 200 years that they've been compiling lists of extant species, it doesn't hurt anyone's credibility to conclude that the thing's probably extinct, because that's that's exactly what the evidence indicates. On the contrary, it would have hurt their credibility to keep maintaining that it *wasn't* extinct in the face of no recent fossils and no living (or dead, for that matter) specimens having been found by biologists. They made the most reasonable conclusion from the best available evidence at the time -- no one's credibility should be attacked for that.

Is the fossil record so sparse that this creature could survive for 11 million years without a trace?

Yes, actually, especially for animals which live in forests and jungles, because these are lousy environments for fossilization.

And if so, what other creatures were alive before or after their alleged dates giving by evolutionists?

Probably a crapload, but why do you assume that this hurts evolutionary biology? It doesn't. Research is done on what *has* been found, not on the many fossils which didn't form or haven't been found yet.

Were the fossils of this creature assigned the wrong dates?

No, and your fixation on things which went unfossilized has no bearing on that. Dates are assigned by methods which don't depend on what fossils are or are not found.

Were evolutionists looking at fossils that were only a few hundred or thousand years old, and thinking because it is an extinct creature, that the fossils were much older than they are?

No, and you're revealing your ignorance of dating methods by thinking that it might. I've provided you with lots of links on dating methods on prior threads -- did you not bother to read them?

Was this creature used to date the strata and other fossils like like the Coelanthe was?

I don't know, but that doesn't help your alleged point either way, just as the discovery of extant "Coalenathes [sic]" doesn't undermine the identification of strata by its inclusion of ancient Coaelacanths.

How many other fossils are assumed to be 11 million years old because they were found in the same strata as a rat squirrel?

None. That's not how dating of fossils is done.

And did anybody ever go back and revisit the justification for dates for stata or fossils that were dated based on the Coelanthe? Does anybody even remember how many dates could be affected?

See above. You're misunderstanding how the dating is done, and it isn't disrupted by discoveries of this type.

That's part of the problem that we have with the whole story that evo's keep pushing.

No, the problem is with folks such as yourself who MISUNDERSTAND how evolutionary biology and geology and dating methods and all the rest are done, and keep spreading misinformation about it.

How much of it is based on science?

All of it.

Is that science good or bad science?

Good science.

How much is based on assumptions and evolutionary bias?

None that I've seen.

How much is based on false assumptions like rat skirrels being extinct?

None of it.

We don't know but we suspect A LOT!!!

Thanks for the confession, but don't presume that the rest of us use your method.

It's not the death knell.

It's not even a skinned knee.

God showing up today with a video tape of just how he created the creatures, which ones were created unique and which ones were the result of natural selection of genetic potential in the originals, where the mistakes in our science are, and answering all of the evolutionist's objections wouldn't be the death knell of evolution.

No, because God would show how He used evolution as part of His methods, surprising the heck out of the rabid anti-evolutionists who are denying the clear story told by Creation itself.

Because tomorrow some evo is going to print a story about how mentally retarded palm walking Turkish people are proof that man evolved from apes.

No they won't, but thanks for sharing your fantasies with us. Hint: not even those articles make any claim of "proof". It is, however, as those articles correctly point out, a way to identify one of the genes which is involved in bipedalism, and further examination of how that gene differs from that of the other apes may be a fruitful line of research which might be able to shed light on the evolutionary changes we have undergone as a species. Or it might not -- but it's worth looking into to find out.

76 posted on 03/09/2006 4:26:24 PM PST by Ichneumon
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