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To: DannyTN; Potowmack; jennyp
It's hurts evolutionist's credibility.

ROFL! No it doesn't, except in the way that to you, a truck passing by on the road is sufficient excuse to claim further damage to evolutionists' credibility...

If evolutionists could be wrong about this. What might they also be wrong about?

That cuts both ways -- creationists were wrong about this too. Does that hurt *their* credibility? Give it a rest.

Look, when the most recent fossil of a species is from 11 million years ago, and no specimens had come to the attention of taxonomists in the 200 years that they've been compiling lists of extant species, it doesn't hurt anyone's credibility to conclude that the thing's probably extinct, because that's that's exactly what the evidence indicates. On the contrary, it would have hurt their credibility to keep maintaining that it *wasn't* extinct in the face of no recent fossils and no living (or dead, for that matter) specimens having been found by biologists. They made the most reasonable conclusion from the best available evidence at the time -- no one's credibility should be attacked for that.

Is the fossil record so sparse that this creature could survive for 11 million years without a trace?

Yes, actually, especially for animals which live in forests and jungles, because these are lousy environments for fossilization.

And if so, what other creatures were alive before or after their alleged dates giving by evolutionists?

Probably a crapload, but why do you assume that this hurts evolutionary biology? It doesn't. Research is done on what *has* been found, not on the many fossils which didn't form or haven't been found yet.

Were the fossils of this creature assigned the wrong dates?

No, and your fixation on things which went unfossilized has no bearing on that. Dates are assigned by methods which don't depend on what fossils are or are not found.

Were evolutionists looking at fossils that were only a few hundred or thousand years old, and thinking because it is an extinct creature, that the fossils were much older than they are?

No, and you're revealing your ignorance of dating methods by thinking that it might. I've provided you with lots of links on dating methods on prior threads -- did you not bother to read them?

Was this creature used to date the strata and other fossils like like the Coelanthe was?

I don't know, but that doesn't help your alleged point either way, just as the discovery of extant "Coalenathes [sic]" doesn't undermine the identification of strata by its inclusion of ancient Coaelacanths.

How many other fossils are assumed to be 11 million years old because they were found in the same strata as a rat squirrel?

None. That's not how dating of fossils is done.

And did anybody ever go back and revisit the justification for dates for stata or fossils that were dated based on the Coelanthe? Does anybody even remember how many dates could be affected?

See above. You're misunderstanding how the dating is done, and it isn't disrupted by discoveries of this type.

That's part of the problem that we have with the whole story that evo's keep pushing.

No, the problem is with folks such as yourself who MISUNDERSTAND how evolutionary biology and geology and dating methods and all the rest are done, and keep spreading misinformation about it.

How much of it is based on science?

All of it.

Is that science good or bad science?

Good science.

How much is based on assumptions and evolutionary bias?

None that I've seen.

How much is based on false assumptions like rat skirrels being extinct?

None of it.

We don't know but we suspect A LOT!!!

Thanks for the confession, but don't presume that the rest of us use your method.

It's not the death knell.

It's not even a skinned knee.

God showing up today with a video tape of just how he created the creatures, which ones were created unique and which ones were the result of natural selection of genetic potential in the originals, where the mistakes in our science are, and answering all of the evolutionist's objections wouldn't be the death knell of evolution.

No, because God would show how He used evolution as part of His methods, surprising the heck out of the rabid anti-evolutionists who are denying the clear story told by Creation itself.

Because tomorrow some evo is going to print a story about how mentally retarded palm walking Turkish people are proof that man evolved from apes.

No they won't, but thanks for sharing your fantasies with us. Hint: not even those articles make any claim of "proof". It is, however, as those articles correctly point out, a way to identify one of the genes which is involved in bipedalism, and further examination of how that gene differs from that of the other apes may be a fruitful line of research which might be able to shed light on the evolutionary changes we have undergone as a species. Or it might not -- but it's worth looking into to find out.

76 posted on 03/09/2006 4:26:24 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
"Dates are assigned by methods which don't depend on what fossils are or are not found. "

Some dates are assigned based on what fossils are found. See Index Fossils.

USGS Examples of Index Fossils used to date rocks

"I've provided you with lots of links on dating methods on prior threads -- did you not bother to read them? "

I usually don't read your posts. I almost ignored this one when I saw it was you. If you ever learn to be concise and to the point, I might give you a few moments consideration.

82 posted on 03/09/2006 4:34:45 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Ichneumon

FYI, DId you know that when a fossil is found in a stratum to which it "theoretically" does not belong, evolutionists use several means of explaining this discrepancy. For example, if it is supposed to be older than the containing bed, it can be said to have been redeposited from an earlier eroded deposit or to indicate the survival of its particular species longer than had been previously believed.

If it is supposed to be younger than its stratum, it can be explained as due to the reworking and mixing of 2 originally distinct deposits or else as showing that the animal dates from earlier antiquity than previously thought. OFTEN, discovery of such an anomalous fossil has been deemed sufficient justification for redating the entire formation to conform to the SUPPOSED age of the particular fossil.

The dates are constantly being changed Ichneumon - perhaps you should do some scholarly research. Your the one that needs a better education.

Try reading "Geological Correlation and Paleoecology" by Robin Allen. He is an evolutionist who admits "the findings of historical geology are suspect because the principles upon which they are based are inadequate"

There's tons of information on the sad state of the evolutionary time scale but you prefer to remain ignorant.

The geologic time series is built up by a hypothetical superposition of beds upon each other from all over the world. So despote fossils having been found grossly out of place in the "time scale, many creatures supposedly primitive have persisted to the present day, including many which somehow skipped all the way from very early period to the present without leaving any traces in intervening periods.

Uniform geology is a joke

I have'nt even touched on all the examples of "old" formations found resting confortably on "young"formations.
Honest geologists admit the "accepted" geologic time scale is an extremely fragile foundation


117 posted on 03/09/2006 8:59:48 PM PST by caffe (W)
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