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[California Supreme] Court rules Berkeley can withdraw Scouts' rent subsidy
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 3/9/6 | Bob Egelko

Posted on 03/09/2006 12:39:56 PM PST by SmithL

SAN FRANCISCO -- The state Supreme Court, in a victory for gay-rights advocates, ruled unanimously today that Berkeley could withdraw a rent subsidy to a Boy Scouts affiliate at the city marina because of the scouts' no-gays-allowed policy.

Although the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2000 that the Boy Scouts had a constitutional right to exclude gays, Berkeley is not required to provide funding to an organization that violates the city's antidiscrimination policy, the state justices said.

Cities can require recipients of public money to "provide written, unambiguous assurances of compliances with a generally applicable nondiscrimination policy,'' Justice Kathryn Mickle Werdegar said in her opinion for the court.

The case involved the Sea Scouts, a nonprofit organization that teaches sailing and maritime skills to teenagers. The Boy Scouts affiliate used space at the Berkeley Marina without charge from the 1930s until 1998, when the City Council eliminated rent subsidies at the marina for nonprofits that discriminated on the basis of sexual orientation, religion or various other categories.

When the organization, after consultation with the Boy Scouts, refused to promise that it would admit gays as members or leaders, the city began charging $500 a month in rent.

The Sea Scouts and individual members sued in 1999, saying the fee was an unconstitutional punishment for free speech and association. Lower courts ruled in the city's favor.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: berkeley; boyscouts; bsa; buttpirates; endcorporatewelfare; homosexualagenda; kiddierapers; nambla; nofreeride; norentsubsidies; paytherent; scouts; turdburglars
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Sad news - I expected better from the California Supreme Court.
1 posted on 03/09/2006 12:40:01 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

I ain't surprised. The land of granola bars strike again.


2 posted on 03/09/2006 12:41:08 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Spontaneous combustion occurs most often in Democrats)
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To: SmithL

Turnabout is fair play. SCOTUS said that schools taking federal money had to allow military recruiters on campus, and we should expect no less cooperation from anyone else who benefits from a subsidy or freebie.

Still doesn't speak well for the landlord, but it's his gameboard.


3 posted on 03/09/2006 12:44:32 PM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: SmithL

Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't this the same (basically) as the USSC just upholding the Solomon Amendment? I think the Scouts can do as they wish, but they don't have any right to public money, and they don't have to take it. The USSC told the law schools that they can personally hold whatever position they wish, but if you take the gov't money, you follow our rules.


4 posted on 03/09/2006 12:46:33 PM PST by TheBigB (Try Ma Skillett's Funky Fritters!)
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And from the Sacramento Bee:

Read the Decision (pdf).

5 posted on 03/09/2006 12:47:23 PM PST by SmithL (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: SlowBoat407
Turnabout is fair play.

I completely agree. The populus needs to replace the local politicians, or suffer under them (not literally, I hope).

6 posted on 03/09/2006 12:49:24 PM PST by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: SmithL
One has to ask if others still get that subsidy, in which case there is an equal protection issue.
7 posted on 03/09/2006 12:50:47 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: SmithL

Next up: a bitch slap from SCOTUS.


8 posted on 03/09/2006 12:55:34 PM PST by pabianice (contact ebay??)
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To: SlowBoat407

Fully agree.


9 posted on 03/09/2006 12:55:42 PM PST by GSlob
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To: SmithL
I just suggested to the leadership of the Boy Scouts that they turn around and sue San Diego for the cost of a sea wall they built, decades ago, at a cost of about $150,000, plus interest to date, plus the economic cost of the "permanent" lease the Scouts were granted back then.

The Scouts should be able to get a fat sum from San Diego, put that in an endowment at interest, and pay the "fair market" rate for their dockage in perpetuity. The City wants to play hardball, and damage the Scouts for exercising their First Amendment rights per the US Supreme Court. Okay, the Scouts should play hardball and take the City for every dime they can.

Turn about is fair play.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "Puckett and Reeve, Gone before Their Time"

10 posted on 03/09/2006 12:57:12 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com RIGHT NOW. I need your help.)
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To: SmithL

The Boy Scouts will have folks willing to pay that rent wrapped around the block so long as it helps keep the fudge-packers away from the little boys.


11 posted on 03/09/2006 12:58:25 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: SmithL

Here we go again. I guess gays have nothing better to do than to go after the Boy Scouts.

When does it become harassment???


12 posted on 03/09/2006 12:58:35 PM PST by Londo Molari
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To: TheBigB

Not that this is pertinent to this subject, but looking at govt money in this way... wouldn't that make vouchers for choice in schooling dangerous for religious organizations to take? It seems they would then have to comply with govt rules in how they run their schools.
One reason why I think tax credits for school choice is better than vouchers.


13 posted on 03/09/2006 12:59:54 PM PST by antceecee (Reagan Democrat and now a Bush Republican...)
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To: Londo Molari
I guess gays have nothing better to do than to go after the Boy Scouts.

It's all part of their "lifestyle" when you get right down to it.

14 posted on 03/09/2006 1:00:20 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: antceecee
Yes, I agree. I support school choice, and I support tax credits rather than vouchers.

Whether I agree with the beliefs of x or not, I think the Gov't can say, "X can believe and act as it wishes, but if x chooses to accept public money, x will accept conditions." That's exactly what the USSC just said, and it's why so many support private schools. I think it should be enforced equally, whether it's for Yale or the BSA.

15 posted on 03/09/2006 1:03:22 PM PST by TheBigB (Try Ma Skillett's Funky Fritters!)
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To: SmithL
I see this as good news.
Finally we can get a ruling on this nonsense by the SCOUS.
16 posted on 03/09/2006 1:06:21 PM PST by Zathras
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To: SmithL

I read the decision....

The California Supreme Court fails to address SEC. 8173. SUPPORT FOR YOUTH ORGANIZATIONS- (a) Short Title- This Act may be cited as the `Support Our Scouts Act of 2005'. An Act of Cogress.

I wonder why?

RD


17 posted on 03/09/2006 1:08:56 PM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: reagandemocrat

An Act of 'CONGRESS' (Sorry)


18 posted on 03/09/2006 1:10:04 PM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: Congressman Billybob

The scouts built a seawall that cost them $150,000 and gave it to San Diego?


19 posted on 03/09/2006 1:12:04 PM PST by Fresh Wind (Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
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To: SmithL

Gay men having access to boys is a very high priority for them.


20 posted on 03/09/2006 1:12:40 PM PST by Always Right
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