Posted on 03/09/2006 11:44:59 AM PST by cpforlife.org
Rape and Incest Is Abortion Ever Okay?
Many advocates for life are challenged with myths and tough questions. Is abortion the answer in some cases? No! All life has value and therefore should be respected and protected. Much of the truth about abortion receives little attention in public discourse, for it exposes what we, as a nation would rather not see. Following are myths and questions frequently raised by abortion proponents, and facts about the "hard cases" in the abortion debate.
ACCEPTING ABORTION FOR HARD CASES SUCH AS RAPE AND INCEST IS ONLY SENSIBLE. DOESN'T ABORTION NEED TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THESE DIFFICULT SITUATIONS? Pro-lifers must emphasize that no matter the circumstances of conception; there should never be embarrassment about bringing a child into the world. The value of a person is not determined by the circumstances of his or her conception. Rape and incest victims need support and compassion, not a "quick-fix solution" like abortion. Abortion only adds to the trauma and injustice already inflicted upon the mother.
ABORTION IS USED MAINLY AS A LAST RESORT, MOSTLY FOR PREGNANCIES THAT RESULT FROM RAPE OR INCEST. In a study conducted by the pro-abortion Alan Guttmacher Institute, entitled Why Women Have Abortions, women were asked to give specific reasons why they had an abortion. The top three answers were: 1. Unready for responsibility 2. Can't afford baby now 3. Concern about how having a baby would change her life. The three reasons, which came in last place and were tied at 1 percent included: 1. Was a victim of rape or incest 2. Husband or partner wanted the abortion 3. Didn't want others to know she has had sex or is pregnant. Studies and statistics consistently show that pregnancies due to rape and incest are rare. According to Guttmacher that 1% due to rape and incest is 14,000 babies per year. Therefore, abortion is not mainly used as a last resort.
ABORTION MUST BE ALLOWED IN ORDER TO SAVE THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER. "There are rare instances where a choice has to be made to save the mother's life over a child's," according to Kathleen M. Raviele, M.D. Dr. Raviele specializes in adult and adolescent gynecology and practices in Tucker, Georgia. Physicians now have the ability to treat the mother and child separately as the two individuals they are. Considering today's medical technology, it is extremely rare that an unborn baby's life must be sacrificed to save the mother' life. A very important distinction must be made between abortion, and removing an ectopic (tubal) pregnancy or inducing early delivery. While the former intends to destroy a life the latter seeks to preserve it.
WHAT ABOUT FETAL DEFECTS? WHY WOULD PRO-LIFERS PUNISH MOTHERS BY FORCING THEM TO HAVE BABIES WITH DISABILITIES? The value of human life cannot be measured by one's abilities or lack thereof. As human beings, we have unalienable rights despite any physical, mental or emotional disabilities we may have. Denying another's humanity on the basis of some concept of productivity or "perfection" is a very dangerous proposition. The door is then open to other forms of "mercy killing."
IF SAFE AND LEGAL ABORTIONS ARE NOT AVAILABLE WOMEN WILL BE DRIVEN TO DANGEROUS BACK-ALLEY ABORTIONS, RESULTING IN NEEDLESS INJURY AND DEATH. It should be remembered that a death occurs every time an abortion is performed - the death of an unborn child. It should also be emphasized that abortion is a surgical procedure, and though legal, it puts many women at serious physical, mental and emotional risk. Increasing attention is being focused on the fact that many women suffer post-abortion complications. While abortion proponents allege that thousands of women died from abortions prior to Roe v. Wade, such numbers were actually made up by individuals and groups pushing for abortion's legalization. The truth is that no one knows exactly how many women died from illegal abortions for the simple reason that illegal abortions were not reported. What we do know is that women - and their children - are suffering and dying now from legal abortion.
WHAT IF STATES PASS ABORTION-RESTRICTIVE LAWS THAT ALLOW FOR RAPE EXCEPTIONS? 1. Laws permitting abortion for pregnancy resulting from rape illustrate well the legal dictum "hard cases make bad law." Exceptions seem to make the rule.
2. Laws allowing abortion for impregnating rapes are unenforceable and easily abused.
3. Legislation allowing this exception has historically led to abortion on demand. Former President Reagan has attested to widespread abuse of the rape exception in his home state of California while he was governor. That exception became a legal loophole leading to abortion on demand due to overly broad interpretations of the law. Likewise, in England, the 1967 Abortion Act was passed to allow abortion for 'exceptional' cases. The outcome has been abortion on demand.
It is noteworthy that an entire U.S. Supreme Court case was predicated on the lie of a gang rape. That case, the now notorious Roe v Wade, brought us abortion on demand in this country.
SHOULDN'T ABORTION AT LEAST BE AVAILABLE TO VICTIMS OF RAPE AND INCEST? The last thing a woman who has been through the trauma of rape needs is the added trauma of an abortion. Rather than mitigating the original shock of the attack, abortion compounds it. Clinical studies demonstrate this. A study done at the University of British Columbia's Department of Psychiatry, as reported in the March 3, 1978, issue of Psychiatric News, a publication of the American Psychiatric Association, showed that abortion often exacerbates a woman's psychological stress. That study concluded in part: "Whatever may be the case at the conscious level, at a much deeper level abortion is regarded by many women as infanticide." Abortion advocates have used the rape and incest exceptions as a smokescreen - first to legalize, then to promote abortion on demand.
STILL, CAN'T ABORTION BE THE TRULY COMPASSIONATE RESPONSE TO RAPE? A cornerstone of the 'pro-choice' movement is that abortion is the treatment of choice for rape. Yet pregnancy rarely results from rape; the vast majority of abortions (over 99% according to the Alan Guttmacher Institute statistics-14,000 per year in the U.S.) are for far more convenient reasons than rape or incest. Vicki Seitzer in Volume 32 of the Journal of the American Medical Women's Association stated: "Perhaps more of a gross exaggeration than a myth is the mistaken and unfortunate belief that pregnancy is a frequent complication of sexual assault. This is emphatically not the case, and there are several medically sound reasons for it. Honesty requires us to say that it is unjust that a woman carry to term a child conceived through rape, but that it is a far greater injustice to kill the child. This is a rare situation in which injustice cannot be avoided; the best thing that can be done is to reduce it. The first injustice lasts for nine months of a life that can be relieved, both psychologically and financially. The second injustice ends a life, and there is no remedy for that."
WHAT ABOUT INCEST? Abortion actually protects the perpetrator of the crime by concealing the incestuous act. Returning the girl to the same environment after an abortion does nothing to solve the primary problem. By taking away the result of the incest, abortion advocates think they can take away the act itself. Consider the example of Edith Young, a 12-year-old incest victim, who writes 25 years after the abortion of her child: Throughout the years I have been depressed, suicidal, furious, outraged, lonely and have felt a sense of loss...The abortion which was to 'be in my best interest' just has not been. As far as I can tell, it only 'saved their reputations,' 'solved their problems,' and 'allowed their lives to go merrily on.'...My daughter, how I miss her so. I miss her regardless of the reason for her conception.
IF PREGNANCIES FROM RAPE AND INCEST ARE UNUSUAL, WHY CAN'T PROLIFERS COMPROMISE ON THIS ONE ISSUE? It is absolutely indisputable that the life within the womb is a unique human being. To say that this irreplaceable life can be destroyed for a crime its father committed is to deny the intrinsic humanity of the unborn. Civilized societies don't stoop to routine violence in an effort to conceal their social problems.
Abortion doesnt stop rape! Abortion stops the life of the unborn child!
You are preaching to the choir, dude or dudette. LOL!
hold on hold on... are you telling me that noone disagrees with the fact that it is still wrong to have an abortion even in the case of a rape?
could've sworn I read otherwise...
James, you need to engage someone else in your debate. Not interested. Bye.
"You are preaching to the choir, dude or dudette. LOL!"
Looks like I wasn't.
But hey, who wants to listen to an 18 year old kid who knows you're wrong and won't let you squirm your way out.
All in all,
Smart decision.
HEY, little man.. Pipe down and get off your damn soap box.
MM
Phantomworker, I understand why you didnt want to engage him in a debate, BUT, his arrogance, ignorance, and OBVIOUS disrespect compelled me to give my two cents. :o)
i really hate when people seperate those two wordslike they are two different events. Incest is rapeyou can not consent to sex with a blood relative
Thanks, MM. You have a very sensible and rational way of looking at things. I really appreciate that! :)
Youre Welcome :o)
Wait till I tell my boyfriend that someone thinks Im very sensible and rational... it could very well give him a heart attack. (kidding)
MM
I saw no reason to change, and just used the same screen name. I guess I'm just a Virgil Tibbs kind of guy.
Suppose I drug you and implant a worm in you, so that when I take it out 9 months from now it will evolve into a magic pill that will save someone elses life who would die without it, but in the meantime will change your appearance and make you miserable and everyone of your friends and acquaintances will think youre actually expecting a child of your own. You chill with that, dude?
Suppose I kidnap you and perform medical experiments on you and its a near guarantee that the knowledge gotten from these experiments will save the lives of a hundred babies, and theres only a 3 % chance that you'll end up with varicose veins or some other complication or death even or whatever, would that be okay with you? I mean, why not? You're a life fetishist , arent you? Anything for the life of who ever it is, right? I mean.. Whatever!
Abortion is a selfish act. It's delusional to deem it anything else. It's never the child's fault that it has been conceived. There has to be a better way than taking the life of an innocent baby.
ABORTION FOR THE PLEASURE AND WELL-BEING OF THE ELDERLY
Dr. Archibald Puck, the renowned British gerontologist, announced that his medical research team had successfully developed and brought into operation a completely safe and effective method of abortion. He revealed that this new method is integral to a revolutionary geriatric process that will vastly improve the life expectancy, vitality, and the sexual pleasure of the elderly. Dr. Puck announced that the breakthrough had been achieved after fifteen years of government funded research and that it holds the promise of tremendous social advances worldwide.
The British Academy of Gerontology confirmed Dr. Pucks astonishing revelations before a stunned assemblage of medical professionals at Oxford Commons this morning. Dr. Reginald Nero of the Academy said that this new technology will greatly improve Englands faltering medical reputation after decades of decline from the stagnation of socialized medicine.
Continuing on, Dr. Puck explained that the new process first requires the acquisition of superfluous human fetuses. He stated that the most desirable incubators for producing these are girls in their very earliest years of puberty with the ideal age being twelve or thirteen. He emphasized that the conception, pregnancy, and abortion segment of the process using these youngsters will not interrupt or penalize their school life or social development in any way as government expansion of the publicly acclaimed Sex and Maternity program for children had already been unanimously approved by Parliament and had proved a stunning success.
It was reported that fetuses, called excret, are harvested from these girls at the sixth month of their pregnancy and then immediately rushed into revolutionary placenta replicator- incubators which permit them to continue development to full term. This is accomplished by a technique which provides an environment similar to that from which they were removed. According to Dr. Puck, vast quantities of oxygen and hormones along with nerve stimulation exercises are applied to these growing organic masses, each of which in separate crystal enclosures clearly has an outward appearance of the human form.
Commenting further, Dr. Puck said that after reaching full term at nine months, the excret are painlessly terminated by quick freeze with brain and nerve matter removed and then rapidly distilled in a process which bonds the residuals with other treated and reconstituted body components including extracted heart tissue and complete sexual organs.
This amazing process culminates in an innocuous clear tablet that is designed for the oral ingestion of the elderly. These tablets, along with various descriptive process charts, were presented for display at the Academy luncheon. Dr. Faust confirmed that startling results have been verified with the rapid restoration of sexual vigor and vitality in eighty year old men and women who were able to cavort joyously like teenagers. The demand for these pills is expected to be tremendous.
A social welfare department head, who insisted on anonymity, later claimed that she is already besieged by youngsters hoping to be mechanically impregnated in the government supervised program. The entire process is free of pain for the girls, she explained. Quite the contrary. She said that each girl experiences a tremendous surge of technically induced pleasure and euphoria throughout the entire conception procedure as well as during the abortion process six months later. In addition, she also explained happily that a four thousand pound stipend is granted to each youngster after the abortion is completed.
It was disclosed that women impregnated in the historically normal manner and who suddenly face horrific personal problems causing undue anguish ,such as being jilted by paramours, upset by dress size increases caused by pregnancy, or who might be falling behind in monthly car payments, will have first priority for these special abortions under pending regulations. This should help keep a kettle top on the population growth of the financially and intellectually challenged Dr. Faust laughingly offered.
Dr. Faust commented that necessary prioritizing of female incubators to favor those having personal problems will unfortunately limit the number of pubescent girls who will be accepted to the program, possibly disappointing their own birth mothers who stand to also share by law in the financial bonanza. However, he said that a minimum percentage of youngsters supplying excret is essential and that this minimum will be maintained for both technical as well as social development reasons for the young.
Dr. Puck, commenting during the luncheon following , reported that many other new and promising developments may very well come from this process. As an example, he indicated that experimentation had already begun on the birthing and factory raising of excrets with the purpose of utilizing them as living organic entities to be used for dangerous, tedious, or other difficult labors not truly suitable for humans.
The British Government has allocated the considerable sum of forty million pounds for continued work by Dr. Pucks group on these new applications.
If the Clonaid folks, the Raelians, actually develop cloning like they claim they already have, and they abuct you and implant a randomly cloned embryo in your ass, and need to keep you locked up for 9 months so the clone child will develop, and you agree that this is ok, then I give your arguments some legitimacy.
The child has no rights because you, or anyone else does not have the RIGHT, the authority, the legitimacy, the moral foundation to impregnate a woman thru force. You are telling me that forced pregnancy is a legitimate way to bring a child into this world. I am telling it is not.
Are you trying to imply that this topic has no bearing to what is good or evil in the eyes of God?
Wrong answer. If the rapist gets the blame for the child's death, then he should get credit for the kids who are raised and become respectable members of society. If some kid who's the product of rape is given the Nobel prize for physics 40 years after the rape, does the rapist get the same credit as the mother who raised the Nobel Laureate?
If I shoot and kill you because you break in to my house and claim you have a right to live there, I have no responsibility for your death. If I only wound you and you later win a nobel prize for economics, I have no claim to your prize either.
You asked, "If abortion is wrong because all life is sacred and it is equivalent to murder, then how could you justify the murder of a child because of how he or she was conceived?" Enter into your calculus the well established American notion of 'self defense'. Since there is a new human being at stake when pregnancy results from rape (or incest in the case of a minor child) only the hard fact of self defense could justify the abortion or result in forced end to pregnancy (ending the increased risk to life of the woman/girl by ending the pregnancy VERY EARLY IN THE PREGNANCY with DNC, or late by bringing the alive child into the world and making him or her a ward of the state or adopted).
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