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Father's Rights? Men Want Right To Turn Down Fatherhood
The Indy Channel ^ | March 9, 2006 | AP

Posted on 03/09/2006 5:51:30 AM PST by Abathar

NEW YORK -- Contending that women have more options than they do in the event of an unintended pregnancy, men's rights activists are mounting a long shot legal campaign aimed at giving them the chance to opt out of financial responsibility for raising a child.

The National Center for Men has prepared a lawsuit -- nicknamed Roe v. Wade for Men -- to be filed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Michigan on behalf of a 25-year-old computer programmer ordered to pay child support for his ex-girlfriend's daughter. The suit addresses the issue of male reproductive rights, contending that lack of such rights violates the U.S. Constitution's equal protection clause.

The gist of the argument: If a pregnant woman can choose among abortion, adoption or raising a child, a man involved in an unintended pregnancy should have the choice of declining the financial responsibilities of fatherhood. The activists involved hope to spark discussion even if they lose.

"There's such a spectrum of choice that women have -- it's her body, her pregnancy and she has the ultimate right to make decisions," said Mel Feit, director of the men's center. "I'm trying to find a way for a man also to have some say over decisions that affect his life profoundly."

Feit's organization has been trying since the early 1990s to pursue such a lawsuit, and finally found a suitable plaintiff in Matt Dubay of Saginaw, Mich.

Dubay says he has been ordered to pay $500 a month in child support for a girl born last year to his ex-girlfriend. He contends that the woman knew he didn't want to have a child with her and assured him repeatedly that -- because of a physical condition -- she could not get pregnant.

Dubay is braced for the lawsuit to fail.

"What I expect to hear (from the court) is that the way things are is not really fair, but that's the way it is," he said in a telephone interview. "Just to create awareness would be enough, to at least get a debate started."

State courts have ruled in the past that any inequity experienced by men like Dubay is outweighed by society's interest in ensuring that children get financial support from two parents. Melanie Jacobs, a Michigan State University law professor, said the federal court might rule similarly in Dubay's case.

"The courts are trying to say it may not be so fair that this gentleman has to support a child he didn't want, but it's less fair to say society has to pay the support," she said.

Feit, however, says a fatherhood opt-out wouldn't necessarily impose higher costs on society or the mother. A woman who balked at abortion but felt she couldn't afford to raise a child could put the baby up for adoption, he said.

Jennifer Brown of the women's rights advocacy group Legal Momentum objected to the men's center comparing Dubay's lawsuit to Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court ruling establishing a woman's right to have an abortion.

"Roe is based on an extreme intrusion by the government -- literally to force a woman to continue a pregnancy she doesn't want," Brown said. "There's nothing equivalent for men. They have the same ability as women to use contraception, to get sterilized."

Feit counters that the suit's reference to abortion rights is apt.

"Roe says a woman can choose to have intimacy and still have control over subsequent consequences," he said. "No one has ever asked a federal court if that means men should have some similar say."

"The problem is this is so politically incorrect," Feit added. "The public is still dealing with the pre-Roe ethic when it comes to men, that if a man fathers a child, he should accept responsibility."

Feit doesn't advocate an unlimited fatherhood opt-out; he proposes a brief period in which a man, after learning of an unintended pregnancy, could decline parental responsibilities if the relationship was one in which neither partner had desired a child.

"If the woman changes her mind and wants the child, she should be responsible," Feit said. "If she can't take care of the child, adoption is a good alternative."

The president of the National Organization for Women, Kim Gandy, acknowledged that disputes over unintended pregnancies can be complex and bitter.

"None of these are easy questions," said Gandy, a former prosecutor. "But most courts say it's not about what he did or didn't do or what she did or didn't do. It's about the rights of the child."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: moralabsolutes; paternity; paternityfraud
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1 posted on 03/09/2006 5:51:32 AM PST by Abathar
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To: Abathar

Oh, not this shi'ite again.


2 posted on 03/09/2006 5:53:17 AM PST by Tax-chick (Death is perishable. Faith is eternal.)
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To: Tax-chick

Yep, just too stupid to pass up I guess...


3 posted on 03/09/2006 5:54:13 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
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To: Abathar

This is a real "Super Barf" !


4 posted on 03/09/2006 5:54:40 AM PST by Zenith
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To: Abathar

We men already have that option. It's called "not banging her in the first place". Works every time it's tried, and you don't need to go through a court battle to do it.


5 posted on 03/09/2006 5:55:10 AM PST by RichInOC (...somebody was going to say it...why not me?)
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To: Abathar
"There's such a spectrum of choice that women have -- it's her body, her pregnancy and she has the ultimate right to make decisions," said Mel Feit, director of the men's center. "I'm trying to find a way for a man also to have some say over decisions that affect his life profoundly."

Silence, slave, or you will be flogged for your disobedience.
6 posted on 03/09/2006 5:55:14 AM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: Abathar

If men need more control over this issue then my suggestion to all of them so that they won't be the big financial losers in this one - keep your zipper up or stay home alone!


7 posted on 03/09/2006 5:55:20 AM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower - Pies Rock)
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To: Abathar

"Unintended pregnancy"??

I threw a rock into the air... I did not intend it to break a window and therefore, I should not have to pay to fix the window.


8 posted on 03/09/2006 5:55:53 AM PST by Paloma_55 (Which part of "Common Sense" do you not understand???)
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To: Abathar

The Jerry Springer generation has grown up.


9 posted on 03/09/2006 5:56:47 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: Abathar

"Feit doesn't advocate an unlimited fatherhood opt-out; he proposes a brief period in which a man, after learning of an unintended pregnancy, could decline parental responsibilities if the relationship was one in which neither partner had desired a child."

He got this from Joey Tribbiani, right?
Not QUITE up to Joey's best thinking, but it's real
close.


10 posted on 03/09/2006 5:58:23 AM PST by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: Abathar

Men always have an opportunity to avoid fatherhood. it's called a zipper, and if they keep it closed it's 100% effective.


11 posted on 03/09/2006 5:58:37 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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I agree with the intent of this action: to shed some light on the inequities of the existing situation. The thing that makes me crazy are rulings in several cases I've read about involving men paying child support and then discovering, through DNA testing, that the children are not theirs and the courts ruling that the payments must continue until the child reaches 18.

Talk about getting screwed twice by the same woman...once with consent and then once by the courts without even a kiss!

12 posted on 03/09/2006 5:58:37 AM PST by borisbob69 (Old shade is better than new shade!)
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To: Abathar

The attitude, "I deserve the legal right to be as evil and irresponsible as any woman!" doesn't impress me. "Stupid" doesn't even begin to describe it ... it's demonic.


13 posted on 03/09/2006 5:58:39 AM PST by Tax-chick (Death is perishable. Faith is eternal.)
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To: RichInOC

Don't you know common sense has no place in this discussion???


14 posted on 03/09/2006 5:58:39 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Paloma_55

You equate breaking a window with creating a life?


15 posted on 03/09/2006 5:59:24 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Abathar

Yup, the know-nothings will howl about men keeping their pants on, but this issue is popping up with a frequency that indicates a trend.

They sat still for mothers killing unborn. They'll sit still for legalized bastardy.


16 posted on 03/09/2006 5:59:30 AM PST by papertyger
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To: RichInOC
We men already have that option. It's called "not banging her in the first place". Works every time it's tried, and you don't need to go through a court battle to do it.

Courts have ordered men to pay child support in cases where married women have had affairs and gotten pregnant with other men. Courts have ordered men to pay child support to single mothers with single mothers who they have started dating and have never married. Unfortunately given the currently legal system, it's not nearly as simple as you might imagine.

The goal of the current family law system is to extort as much money as possible from men, and give it to women.
17 posted on 03/09/2006 5:59:31 AM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: Abathar

You tell me why men should have some kind of right after the act has been accomplished?

I understand the 'Keep your Zipper up" crap...I just don't think it's realistic. BTW, wouldn;t a "Pill for Men" be useful in establishing male reproductive rights?


18 posted on 03/09/2006 6:01:12 AM PST by Explodo (Pessimism is simply pattern recognition)
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To: Tax-chick
The attitude, "I deserve the legal right to be as evil and irresponsible as any woman!" doesn't impress me.

TS.

19 posted on 03/09/2006 6:01:25 AM PST by papertyger
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To: mlc9852

Only from the standpoint of the approach that suggests someone is not responsible for their actions because of their claimed intent.

Obviously, killing a human being is a billion times more serious.


20 posted on 03/09/2006 6:01:29 AM PST by Paloma_55 (Which part of "Common Sense" do you not understand???)
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