China hits back at US criticism [Barf Alert]

BBC ^ | Thursday, 9 March 2006 | BBC

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From the article: "American 'democracy' is always one for the wealthy and a 'game for the rich'" (Chinese report)

Funny to see this criticism coming from a country that has NO democracy, conducts forced abortions, kills its own citizens, occupies Tibet and Inner Mongolia, and....(think I'll stop here).

[Mind-numbed Robot]

Crime is a product of human nature and in a free country there are more opportunites to practice those lower values. Our rates are higher than they should be because the Communist, like the people who run China, are working hard to lower our moral standards and interfer in our ability to fight crime.

[old republic]

These statistic games are meaningless. Who is to say that everyone involved here is going to honestly report their crime statistics in the first place?

[gogoman]

occupies Tibet and Inner Mongolia

Oh come on... There is NO controversy over whether Inner Mongolia is Chinese or not. The creation of Inner and Outer Mongolia administrations was made under the Qing dynasty by Manchurian officials. China's capital Beijing (founded by Mongolians and proto-Manchurians) is 50 miles away from Inner Mongolia. During WWII, Inner Mongolia was briefly occupied by the Japanese, but so was Beijing and 1/3 of China. If Inner Mongolia is not Chinese, then Beijing is not Chinese. And that's ridiculous.

Chinese history is very complex, a superficial understanding like yours can be very misleading.

[Lonely Bull]

The China Daily version is up and on FR too, for those wanting a further chuckle.

Report exposes human rights abuses in US

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I was just waiting for the ChiComs on FR to show up...looks lke it didn't take you too long to get here.

Stop discussing my superficial understanding, n00b. You have been here for less than a week (on your second avatar after the first one was banned).

[Mind-numbed Robot]

Who is to say that everyone involved here is going to honestly report their crime statistics in the first place?

Very good observation, especially when the reporting government is committing most of the crime. :-)

[indcons]

Look who's here :)

[gogoman]

There is no "Inner Mongolian" nation as you think, nor was it linked to Outer Mongolia, it's merely an administration division of the old Qing Empire and had some Mongols in it, which lasted 300 years, with most of the conquering done by Manchurians.

During the 1920s, China had an opportunity to become a federation of independent states, not unlike today's EU. It would have divided China into 15-16 states, each with an average population of nearly 40 million, similar to modern Europe then. Tibet would be split in two: Tibet and Chamdo, "China Proper" (this is a modern concept, didn't exist then) would be split around 8 states, Manchuria split into 3 states, Mongolia into 2 (Inner and Outer). This idea was later scrapped and the Republic of China ended up inheriting the entire Qing Empire by 1928. Outer Mongolia declared independence with Soviet help in the 1930s to serve as a buffer state. And here we are. Modern China's territory was INHERITED, not conquered.

The English term "Chinese" is not limited to "China proper" (the concept of which again did not even exist until recently) but encompasses the population of the entire Qing Empire.

[gogoman]

Stop discussing my superficial understanding, n00b. You have been here for less than a week

What does my being here for just a week have to do with your superficial (rather, lack of) understanding of Chinese history? You made an erroneous claim that the Chinese are "occupying" Inner Mongolia, and I challenged it. There is no need to ping a dozen other people.

[Paul_Denton]

Chi-com trolls like pganini? I am surprised they have not shown up yet.

[Paul_Denton]

Mongolia is a soveriegn nation and China has no business in it, or Taiwan, or Tibet.

[gogoman]

Not Inner Mongolia. Inner Mongolia is not Mongolia, never was the same thing.

[driftdiver]

"Modern China's territory was INHERITED, not conquered.
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Tibet was inherited? HUH say what?? You are implying that Chinese history is full of peace and love for their neighbors. Is that the party line in China these days?

[Gengis Khan]

And what about the occupation of Tibet, Askai Chin and Uighuristan?

[R.W.Ratikal]

China is right of course, there are human rights abuses in the U.S.

For example, workers are forced to pay up to 42 percent of their earnings to government.

Affirmative Action forces some people to be denied their rights over others.

American citizens are forced to feed, clothes and shelter citizens of other countries who come to the U.S. illegally.

American citizens are stopped and strip-searched at airports without probabal cause.

Property is seized from private owners to be given to other private individuals under cover of "emanate domain."

American citizens are forced to pay for the abortion of people they don't even know.

Wealthy people are not always treated the same under the laws that poor people receive.

[R.W.Ratikal]

China is right of course, there are human rights abuses in the U.S.

For example, workers are forced to pay up to 42 percent of their earnings to government.

Affirmative Action forces some people to be denied their rights over others.

American citizens are forced to feed, clothes and shelter citizens of other countries who come to the U.S. illegally.

American citizens are stopped and strip-searched at airports without probabal cause.

Property is seized from private owners to be given to other private individuals under cover of "emanate domain."

American citizens are forced to pay for the abortion of people they don't even know.

Wealthy people are not always treated the same under the laws that poor people receive.

[Teacher317]

Sounds like a list of Democrat talking points. Nice that our domestic politicians can give such aid and comfort to foreign competitors.

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Gogoman (AKA ckwilliams) is here though :)

The thread diversionary tactics and the attacks by the week-old sign-up are "interesting."