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Family May Provide Evolution Clue
BBC News ^ | Tuesday, 7 March 2006 | BBC News

Posted on 03/08/2006 8:31:17 AM PST by gomaaa

Family may provide evolution clue Five siblings from Turkey who can only walk on all fours could provide science with an insight into human evolution, researchers have said.

The three sisters and two brothers could yield clues to why our ancestors made the transition from four-legged to two-legged animals, says a UK expert.

But Professor Nicholas Humphrey rejects the idea that there is a "gene" for bipedalism, or upright walking.

A BBC documentary about the family will be shown on Friday 17 March.

Professor Humphrey, from the London School of Economics (LSE), says that our own species' transition to walking on two feet must have been a more complex process that involved many changes to the skeleton and to the human genetic make-up.

However, a German group says a genetic abnormality does seem to be involved in the siblings' gait.

Coordination problem

Two of the sisters and one brother have only ever walked on two hands and two feet, but another sister and brother can occasionally walk on two feet for a short time.

In this position, both their knees and their head are flexed.

The five siblings live with their parents and 13 other brothers and sisters and were born with what looks like a form of brain damage.

MRI scans seem to show that they have a form of cerebellar ataxia, which affects balance and coordination.

However, scientists are divided on what caused them to revert to quadrupedalism (walking on all fours).

The method of locomotion used by the Turkish children and by our closest relatives chimpanzees and gorillas, differs in a crucial way, said Professor Humphrey.

While gorillas and chimpanzees walk on their knuckles, the Turkish siblings put their weight on the wrists, lifting their fingers off the ground.

Tool use

"What's significant about that is that chimpanzees ruin their fingers walking like that," Professor Humphrey, an evolutionary psychologist, told the BBC News website.

"These kids have kept their fingers very agile, for example, the girls in the family can do crochet and embroidery."

He added that calluses pictured on the hands of one family member demonstrated that the behaviour was not a hoax.

Professor Humphrey said this could be the way that humankind's direct ancestors walked.

Hands which have kept the fingers dextrous would also have been able to manipulate tools, a key development which influenced the evolution of the human body and intelligence.

"I think it's possible that what we are seeing in this family is something that does correspond to a time when we didn't walk like chimpanzees but was an important step between coming down from the trees and becoming fully bipedal," the LSE researcher said.

'Infant walking'

Professor Humphrey thinks that the brain abnormality simply caused the siblings to rediscover a form of locomotion used by our ancestors.

"Because of the peculiar circumstances they were in, they kept walking as infants," he said.

But a team led by Stefan Mundlos of the Max Planck Institute in Leipzig, Germany, thinks that the genetic abnormality which causes the children's unusual gait may have played a more fundamental role in evolution.

Professor Mundlos has located the gene on chromosome 17 and speculates that a gene important in the transition to bipedalism may have been knocked out in the children.

Series producer Jemima Harrison said the programme's producers were moved by the family's "tremendous warmth and humanity".

BBC Two's The Family That Walks On All Fours is broadcast on Friday 17 March at 2100 GMT


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crevolist
I feel a little odd posting this, as I am a relative newbie on the crevo threads. I hope I am not stepping on anyone's toes.
This article struck me as neat for two reasons:

1 -- It exemplifies the idea that we are still carrying around the genetic baggage of our forbears. One little genetic switch turned from 'off' to 'on' and we get to see some of it in action. Of course, this COULD just be a wierd genetic accident that has nothing to do with our primitive ancestors, but the fact that several siblings in the family had the same problem suggests that this is not just a simple, harmful mutation.

2 -- DUDE! Those people are walking on their HANDS!
1 posted on 03/08/2006 8:31:20 AM PST by gomaaa
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To: PatrickHenry

I hope you don't mind me starting a new thread. The "Con Men" thread was getting a little old.

Pass it to the ping list please?


2 posted on 03/08/2006 8:33:13 AM PST by gomaaa
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To: gomaaa
I hope I am not stepping on anyone's toes.

Stepping on toes is fun. I have had mine stepped on a few times - that's not fun.

3 posted on 03/08/2006 8:34:13 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: gomaaa

This strikes me as just a little too similar to a Weekly World News article.


4 posted on 03/08/2006 8:37:49 AM PST by Vladiator
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To: gomaaa
This screams hoax.

He added that calluses pictured on the hands of one family member demonstrated that the behaviour was not a hoax.

5 posted on 03/08/2006 8:38:23 AM PST by DManA
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To: Vladiator

Doesn't it though? It's been reported in a lot of different publications, though:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&ncl=http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_objectid%3D16786179%26method%3Dfull%26siteid%3D66633%26headline%3Dmeet-the-trotters--name_page.html

If it turns out to be fake, I will join the "Glasgow Daily Record" in apologizing for wasting everyone's time.


7 posted on 03/08/2006 8:45:23 AM PST by gomaaa
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To: gomaaa

"I hope I am not stepping on anyone's toes."

Or in this case "fingers"... :)


9 posted on 03/08/2006 9:24:07 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: gomaaa

1) Their parents are cousins. (bad mutation / inbreeding hypothesis)

2) They don't look like habitual use of a four-limbed gait has changed their growth or musculature - paraplegics who wheel themselves have a noticeable change in musculature. (fakery hypothesis)

3) I would guess that chimps with our pelvic structure, glutes, straight legs and spines could walk just fine - that our upright walking owes more to anatomy than a co-ordination gene.

Mrs VS


10 posted on 03/08/2006 9:45:43 AM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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1) Their parents are cousins. (bad mutation / inbreeding hypothesis)

Absolutely the fact that the parents are related is a major factor. Anytime you have a small gene pool, it allows rare genetic mistakes/mutations to come to light. So this is the CAUSE of the wierdness, but the wierdness itself could still be due to old genetic code that is normally inactive. Inbreeding tends to magnify these little mistakes that normally occur but rarely.

2) They don't look like habitual use of a four-limbed gait has changed their growth or musculature - paraplegics who wheel themselves have a noticeable change in musculature. (fakery hypothesis)

It could still be a fake. Still, the article authors say they do have those calouses on their hands from using them in that way all their lives. The pictures I saw don't allow a close inspection of their musculature. I dunno.

3) I would guess that chimps with our pelvic structure, glutes, straight legs and spines could walk just fine - that our upright walking owes more to anatomy than a co-ordination gene.

Yeah, it would probably take many genetic goof-ups to create a human that really resembled a primitive forbear. If it is relevent to our evolutionary history, it only gives us a few clues, not the whole picture.
11 posted on 03/08/2006 9:57:20 AM PST by gomaaa
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1 -- It exemplifies the idea that we are still carrying around the genetic baggage of our forbears.

or possibly that our forebears had all our genetic baggage already there.

12 posted on 03/08/2006 10:01:49 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: gomaaa; Junior
Pass it to the ping list please?

Thanks for posting it. This is a strange one. I'll leave it up to Junior.

13 posted on 03/08/2006 10:24:07 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: gomaaa
They're brain damaged and may also have have inner ear and balance problems.

Or...they're really into Matt Furey's body weight calisthenics and love to bear walk wherever they go! (Try it for 5-minutes, if you can.)

14 posted on 03/08/2006 10:29:27 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: gomaaa
Strange story - I'm waiting for more peer review before commenting on the authenticity of this (I'm a bit suspicious...)

Either way it seems extremely premature to say this is some sort of evolutionary throwback. There could be countless other reasons (disorders, etc.) that this sort of thing could occur.

15 posted on 03/08/2006 2:37:27 PM PST by Quark2005 (Confidence follows from consilience.)
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Yeah, this could well be junk. I think it's definitely some sort of genetic disorder, the real question is does THIS disorder reveal something about the genetic baggage we may be carrying around with us. It's definitely a case of a little too much marriage within the family, but is that all it is? I dunno.


16 posted on 03/09/2006 10:37:57 AM PST by gomaaa
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