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What killed Dana Reeve?
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| 03-08-2006
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Posted on 03/07/2006 10:12:12 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
The so-called widower effect where spouses die soon after being widowed has been common knowledge since it was first described in 1848. But this new study of 518,240 couples shows for the first time that the illness of a spouse also can hasten death.
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posted on
03/08/2006 3:14:38 PM PST
by
BellStar
(polecatus smellius liberalis are on the prowl!)
To: TAdams8591
Thanks for the additional comments.
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posted on
03/08/2006 3:18:30 PM PST
by
DoughtyOne
(If you don't want to be lumped in with those who commit violence in your name, take steps to end it.)
To: stands2reason
Back about 40 years ago, although one could conceivably find work where one could breath fresh air, if one had an education and worked in an office environment one had no choice but to breath second hand smoke. If one was a teacher, when visiting the teacher's lounge one had to breath smoke, and so on and so on. It was inescapable. Yes, one could have chosen to pick apples, but then unless one wished to sit alone or find personal transportation to and from the orchard, one had to put up with smokers and their exhaust.
Not 20 years ago, my director in a high tech company held meetings in his closed office so all of his buddies could smoke (it was not allowed in the conference rooms) and just about asphyxiated those who did not. If one wanted to quit a career job, yea, one could, but in these examples, who is imposing the burden of responsibility?
To not have a real choice, like 40 years ago, and 20 years ago, and even now if one wishes to work in guest services (bars and lounges, night clubs, etc.) and not be subject to second hand smoke, is to be forced to bear the brunt of another's irresponsibility.
When I wrote that reply I considered the word, forced, but I did not edit it because I knew someone would raise the issue as you did. I believe that one is not forced to do anything but when one spends six years or more in a technical college and orders their career to work in an office environment with colleagues who smoke, and can at their desks and offices, then one is indeed forced to breath that foul air.
Not many years ago, say one wished to be a health food salesman and needed to fly to conferences or to the headquarters often, and maybe that person took a job in health food as a way to seek a healthly lifestyle, that person was forced to breath foul air, wasn't he? That is why airlines no longer permit smoking, and that is why in NH bars and other establishments will no longer be permitted to allow smoking as well. Unless smokers can control their exhaust, nonsmokers are indeed forced to breath it.
To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
The data suggest that the changes in lifestyle on the loss of a spouse impact on the incidence of almost every type of cancer. The effects were so large that a failure to consider marital status in epidemiological studies may be a source to bias. Understanding these lifestyle changes may provide new insight in cancer prevention.
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posted on
03/08/2006 3:20:46 PM PST
by
BellStar
(polecatus smellius liberalis are on the prowl!)
To: jocon307
"STRESS might be a factor"
You are right, time after time the caretakers die shortly before or after the person they have cared for dies.
To: jocon307
I think you are correct about the ,"stress", being a factor. I've often thought that stress played a role in some cancers.
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posted on
03/08/2006 3:31:24 PM PST
by
auggy
( http://www.wtv-zone.com/Mary/THISWILLMAKEYOUPROUD.HTML)
To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Did years of singing in smoky nightclubs kill Dana Reeve,
Well of course it did!
Personally, I never knew she was a singer.........
In other news, reports of Dana Reeve being subjected to second hand smoke as a result of being a nightclub singer have been grossly over stated. Real News Today has just found out that the bar she sang in was nonsmoking but the bus she took to work allowed smoking........
Legal teams representing Mrs. Reeve's estate have not divulged their plan of attack but which will definitely be targeted against Big Tobacco and the bus line which allowed the smoking ......
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posted on
03/08/2006 3:33:11 PM PST
by
Hot Tabasco
(When in doubt, I ask myself: "What would Jack Bauer do?" My boss isn't going to like the answer...)
To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
For instance today in New Jersey a coalition of bars, restaurants and bowling alley operators sued the state claiming its ban on smoking law is unconstitutional. Is it me, or is this a poorly written sentence?
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posted on
03/08/2006 3:35:49 PM PST
by
Hardastarboard
(HEY - Billy Joe! You ARE an American Idiot!)
To: RobbyS
" So why does AIDS get so much support?"Supposedly, homosexuals are born with that behavoir. So, they can't help it.
Which is total BS.
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posted on
03/08/2006 3:39:57 PM PST
by
auggy
( http://www.wtv-zone.com/Mary/THISWILLMAKEYOUPROUD.HTML)
To: Dan(9698)
The molecular weight of "air" (80% nitrogen -N2- MW 28 and 20% oxygen -02-MW 32) is about 29. The molecular weight of chlorine gas is 35 and carbon dioxide -CO2- is 44. Therefore Chlorine and CO2 are a bit heavier than air.
Gasses mix together so the heavier chlorine will be found in time in the upper part of whatever vessel it is in and if that vessel is the atmosphere it will be detected in the upper reaches.
When 1 ton chlorine cylinders are stored at water treatment plants, there are sensors and ventilation ducts at floor level. Fans on the ceiling will blow the gas out of the floor vents if there is a leak. Chlorine was particularly effective in WWI trenches as it would "fill" shellholes and trenches and drive the surviving troops out into sniper and machine gun fire. Occasionally workers die in wineries when they enter an open top tank that has fermented wine. The tank can be full of invisible carbon dioxide and you don't know it until you pass out and fall on the tank floor. Then someone will jump in to pull the victim out and end up dying too.
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posted on
03/08/2006 3:58:07 PM PST
by
alpo
(Allright.... Who fatwa'd?)
To: pepperdog
The data suggest that the changes in lifestyle on the loss of a spouse impact on the incidence of almost every type of cancer. The effects were so large that a failure to consider marital status in epidemiological studies may be a source to bias. Understanding these lifestyle changes may provide new insight in cancer prevention.
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posted on
03/08/2006 5:05:02 PM PST
by
BellStar
(polecatus smellius liberalis are on the prowl!)
To: auggy
The data suggest that the changes in lifestyle on the loss of a spouse impact on the incidence of almost every type of cancer. The effects were so large that a failure to consider marital status in epidemiological studies may be a source to bias. Understanding these lifestyle changes may provide new insight in cancer prevention.
I am a new widow of 8 months and I care for my mom who has dementia. I read a lot.
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posted on
03/08/2006 5:06:52 PM PST
by
BellStar
(polecatus smellius liberalis are on the prowl!)
To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
You want to live a long and healthy life?
Pick the right parents before you are born.
Good genes trump good living every time.
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posted on
03/08/2006 5:09:46 PM PST
by
ChildOfThe60s
(If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
To: Banjoguy
Makes you wonder how anybody survived the Roaring 20's....
To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
It's just so sad. Her poor son...
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posted on
03/08/2006 5:13:39 PM PST
by
veronica
("A person needs a sense of mission like the air he breathes...")
To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"Yep, people like Keith Richards of Rolling Stones abuses drugs and is still kicking into their 60s. Genetics and pure luck, I say."I'd have to agree. I can't recall ever seeing a photo of him without a cigarette hanging out of his mouth.
To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Humans have been living in smoke-filled camps, tents and caves for the last 1.5 million years. Throughout the history of our species, smoke would have been a nearly 24/7 companion.
Did every homo genus person throughout the last 1.5 million years die of lung cancer? Nope. In fact, the ability to withstand smoke would have been strongly selected for by evolution.
To: JustDoItAlways
To: TennesseeGirl
"Dana's mother died of ovarian cancer. Where are the violins for her? Lung cancer/ovarian cancer -- just as tragic."
I don't think anyone said otherwise. All cancer is potentially deadly. Dana's mother died of cancer. That increased Dana's chances greatly that she too might die of cancer. There is a strong genetic connection for cancer. I'd go with that as a reason for her death from cancer over any second hand smoke theories from working in bars years before she ever contracted it. Combine stress because of her husband's situation w/genetic proclivities, and I believe that is what did her in. RIP.
To: flaglady47
When my sister had ovarian cancer, they actually sent some of her tumor to Vanderbilt to be "typed" to see if her cancer was genetic or not.
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posted on
03/08/2006 5:28:57 PM PST
by
Howlin
("Quick, he's bleeding! Is there a <strike>doctor</strike> reporter in the house?")
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