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Darwin smacked in new U.S. poll (69% of Americans Want alternate theories allowed in class)
WorldnetDaily.Com ^ | 03/07/2006

Posted on 03/07/2006 2:34:37 PM PST by SirLinksalot

Darwin smacked in new U.S. poll

Whopping 69 percent of Americans want alternate theories in classroom

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Posted: March 7, 2006 5:00 p.m. Eastern

© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

A new poll shows 69 percent of Americans believe public school teachers should present both the evidence for and against Darwinian evolution.

The Zogby International survey indicated only 21 percent think biology teachers should teach only Darwin's theory of evolution and the scientific evidence that supports it.

A majority of Americans from every sub-group were at least twice as likely to prefer this approach to science education, the Zogby study showed.

About 88 percent of Americans 18-29 years old were in support, along with 73 percent of Republicans and 74 percent of independent voters.

Others who strongly support teaching the strengths and weaknesses of evolutionary theory include African-Americans (69 percent), 35-54 year-olds (70 percent) and Democrats (60 percent).

Casey Luskin, program officer for public policy and legal affairs with Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture said while his group does not favor mandating the teaching of intelligent design, "we do think it is constitutional for teachers to discuss it precisely because the theory is based upon scientific evidence not religious premises."

The Seattle-based Discovery Institute is the leading promoter of the theory of Intelligent Design, which has been at the center of challenges in federal court over the teaching of evolution in public school classes. Advocates say it draws on recent discoveries in physics, biochemistry and related disciplines that indicate some features of the natural world are best explained as the product of an intelligent cause rather than an undirected process such as natural selection.

"The public strongly agrees that students should be permitted to learn about such evidence," Luskin said.

The Discovery Institute noted Americans also support students learning about evidence for intelligent design alongside evolution in biology class – 77 percent.

Just over half – 51 percent – agree strongly with that. Only 19 percent disagree.

As WorldNetDaily reported, more than 500 scientists with doctoral degrees have signed a statement expressing skepticism about Darwin's theory of evolution.

The statement, which includes endorsement by members of the prestigious U.S. National Academy of Sciences and Russian Academy of Sciences, was first published by the Discovery Institute in 2001 to challenge statements about Darwinian evolution made in promoting PBS's "Evolution" series.

The PBS promotion claimed "virtually every scientist in the world believes the theory to be true."


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To: darbymcgill

You don't think anagrams is a suitable game for children?


821 posted on 03/09/2006 11:31:38 AM PST by js1138
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
"The theory of evolution implies that all organisms arose from descent from a common ancestory."

"Yes, the DNA molecule...

No. The ToE deals with the first living organism that was prone to replication errors and selection.

BTW, no one claims that DNA would have been the first replicator.

For example, how the first organism with DNA came to exist is not part of the theory of evolution.

"I love it when the evolutionist zealots contradict themselves...

This is not a contradiction. The study of common descent at the levels we currently are able to do so does not rely on knowledge of the very first organism. It is very easy to study how humans and chimps have a common ancestor or how hippos and whales have a common ancestor without being concerned with how the first proto-life originated.

822 posted on 03/09/2006 11:32:11 AM PST by b_sharp (Come visit my new home page.)
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To: darbymcgill

And, yes, I've seen it.


823 posted on 03/09/2006 11:32:16 AM PST by js1138
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To: darbymcgill

What is nasty about "nicest"?


824 posted on 03/09/2006 11:36:57 AM PST by Thatcherite (I'm Pat Henry, I'm the real Pat Henry, All the other Pat Henry's are just imitators...)
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To: js1138
You don't think anagrams is a suitable game for children?

cute..........;)
825 posted on 03/09/2006 11:42:07 AM PST by darbymcgill (FRevolution: The science of mutating concepts and definitions while tap dancing)
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To: Thatcherite

u2


826 posted on 03/09/2006 11:42:45 AM PST by darbymcgill (FRevolution: The science of mutating concepts and definitions while tap dancing)
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To: Elsie
"Then how would we know it mutated or not??

If it was corrected it doesn't matter if it mutated. If it isn't corrected then we have the mutation to tell us it mutated.

We have observed plants that have mutated and then been corrected in the next generation.

We observe that some areas of the DNA sequence suffer/show evidence of fewer mutations than others.

827 posted on 03/09/2006 11:49:25 AM PST by b_sharp (Come visit my new home page.)
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To: darbymcgill
" I'm enjoying myself immensely guys, keep em comin.... and remember.. "it ain't nothin til you call it"


Your retreat and inability to answer any of my questions is duly noted. Now begins your breakdown, where you pretend to have won. :)
828 posted on 03/09/2006 11:51:51 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Now begins your breakdown, where you pretend to have won. :)

If you would actually read my posts I wouldn't have to repeat myself so often and you would already know that I ceded victory to your side many posts ago. It would be inconsistent and I suppose somewhat "scientific" of me to now do otherwise wouldn't it..??

Your retreat and inability to answer any of my questions is duly noted.

If your "scientific" definition of "keep em comin" is "retreat", then it's no wonder I've risked posting spam to you several times in this thread...

I'll answer your questions when you've met my challenge...
829 posted on 03/09/2006 12:12:02 PM PST by darbymcgill (FRevolution: The science of mutating concepts and definitions while tap dancing)
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To: darbymcgill

"If you would actually read my posts I wouldn't have to repeat myself so often and you would already know that I ceded victory to your side many posts ago. It would be inconsistent and I suppose somewhat "scientific" of me to now do otherwise wouldn't it..??"

I don't recall any prior concession on your part, but I'll accept it now.

" I'll answer your questions when you've met my challenge..."

??


830 posted on 03/09/2006 12:16:27 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Buggman
Either something is wrong with your definition of "observed as a fact," or the theory of evolution is hereby disproven by your own criteria. Moving on.

You should move on. Evolution is a fact. The definition of evolution is change. Change or evolution is observed by everyone everyday. It is fact, whether that change is in society, species, or any thing else. You are changed from your mother and father. This change is observed as a fact, you are not the same clones. Science observes this fact gives evidence for the fact and gives a explanation of the fact (reproduction). You are significantly changed from your ancestors. ID creation, the origin of man and all such faith and belief of mans beginning is unknown. They cannot be observed as a fact. Science neither can observe or explain a unknown. ID creation, the origin of man and all such faith and belief of mans beginning is unknown and is argued by philosophy. Do you claim that by faith and belief you know the origin of man. You saw it, witnessed it, and observed it as a fact of mans beginning, if so inform science so they can observe the same fact.

831 posted on 03/09/2006 12:24:54 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: jec41
Two questions, ID is supposed to be evolution, with a side assumption that God planed it this way right? Then why do all the pro IDer think evolution is BS. If you don't believe that evolution is an accurate theory, then you can't believe in ID. Wheres the flaw in that logic.

Also to creationists, how do you explain that there have been many different species of humans, many being alive at the same time? These humans couldn't mate with regular humans, which means they are undoubtably a different species (the very definition of species).
832 posted on 03/09/2006 12:35:58 PM PST by RHINO369
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
??

I rest my case....
833 posted on 03/09/2006 12:44:00 PM PST by darbymcgill (FRevolution: The science of mutating concepts and definitions while tap dancing)
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To: darbymcgill

" I rest my case...."

You have issued no challenge that wasn't answered.


834 posted on 03/09/2006 12:47:14 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: RHINO369
Two questions, ID is supposed to be evolution, with a side assumption that God planed it this way right? Then why do all the pro IDer think evolution is BS. If you don't believe that evolution is an accurate theory, then you can't believe in ID. Wheres the flaw in that logic.

Also to creationists, how do you explain that there have been many different species of humans, many being alive at the same time? These humans couldn't mate with regular humans, which means they are undoubtably a different species (the very definition of species).

Maybe its because their opinion and faulty logic is the BS?

835 posted on 03/09/2006 12:58:58 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
You have issued no challenge that wasn't answered.

There you go with that definition thing again... Arm waving may define "answered" by your definition but certainly not mine...
836 posted on 03/09/2006 12:59:27 PM PST by darbymcgill (FRevolution: The science of mutating concepts and definitions while tap dancing)
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To: jec41
Evolution is a fact.

Right then and there, you proved that you are a evolutionary religionist expounding a dogma, not a scientist.

837 posted on 03/09/2006 1:20:00 PM PST by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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To: darbymcgill
" There you go with that definition thing again... Arm waving may define "answered""

I arm-waved nothing away. You're the one who is arm-waving away MY questions, which show your *challenge* to be a logical fallacy. Your *challenge* was no challenge at all.

Absence of evidence is not evidence. Unless you're desperate.
838 posted on 03/09/2006 1:25:54 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: darbymcgill
// There you go with that definition thing again... Arm waving may define "answered" definition but certainly not mine//

Nor for the rest of the world bump, only in the context of evo cultists does this hold true, LOLOL

W.
839 posted on 03/09/2006 1:28:09 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: Buggman
Right then and there, you proved that you are a evolutionary religionist expounding a dogma, not a scientist

Evolutionary religionist expounding a dogma would be of theology (faith and belief) and is more in your ability. If you want to believe that you are a clone ( because change or evolution does not occur as a fact to you) thats alright by me. Just don't make too many clones. Mankind is already restricted enough.

840 posted on 03/09/2006 1:43:47 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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